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Old 05-20-2014, 05:45 PM    (permalink
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No no no no no.....Nelson punted a guy in the head while he was laying on the ground. That's attempted murder in a lot of cases.

It's one thing to accidentally seriously injure someone in a fight. It's not a legal justification most of the time, but it happens. You should know, however, that if you kick someone squarly in the head while they are defenseless, you are very likely going to give them a severe concussion at the least. That's not an incidental injury.

Any justification of what Nelson did is beyond stupid; he deserves some serious jail time.
The same could be said for punching someone with their back turned to you. Is it stupid to kick someone on the ground? Yes. Do I think he deserves serious jail time? No. The other guy started it as far as I know. I can see why Nelson acted the way he did. Guy punched him when Nelson had his back turned and it was done in front of his girlfriend. Just cause the other guy ended up getting the worst of it doesn't make what he did any better.
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The same could be said for punching someone with their back turned to you. Is it stupid to kick someone on the ground? Yes. Do I think he deserves serious jail time? No. The other guy started it as far as I know. I can see why Nelson acted the way he did. Guy punched him when Nelson had his back turned and it was done in front of his girlfriend. Just cause the other guy ended up getting the worst of it doesn't make what he did any better.
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The same could be said for punching someone with their back turned to you. Is it stupid to kick someone on the ground? Yes. Do I think he deserves serious jail time? No. The other guy started it as far as I know. I can see why Nelson acted the way he did. Guy punched him when Nelson had his back turned and it was done in front of his girlfriend. Just cause the other guy ended up getting the worst of it doesn't make what he did any better.
Lol this has nothing to do with anything.

Anyway, I don't think anyone is saying the victim did nothing wrong. Did he deserve to get punched in the face? Probably. But when he was on the ground semi-conscious/possibly unconscious, it was well past over. What Nelson did was unjustifiable and he deserves a long, long jail sentence.

If it turns out this kid dies, do you still think he got what he deserved? Even if Nelson was fighting back (note: not defending himself, because in no shape or form was he defending himself) even if the kid punched first, Nelson likely committed manslaughter.

I can understand arguing he was in the right to fight back, but what he did was not fighting back and was cowardly as hell.
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The same could be said for punching someone with their back turned to you. Is it stupid to kick someone on the ground? Yes. Do I think he deserves serious jail time? No. The other guy started it as far as I know. I can see why Nelson acted the way he did. Guy punched him when Nelson had his back turned and it was done in front of his girlfriend. Just cause the other guy ended up getting the worst of it doesn't make what he did any better.
And it doesn't make what Nelson did any less criminal.
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Lol this has nothing to do with anything.

Anyway, I don't think anyone is saying the victim did nothing wrong. Did he deserve to get punched in the face? Probably. But when he was on the ground semi-conscious/possibly unconscious, it was well past over. What Nelson did was unjustifiable and he deserves a long, long jail sentence.

If it turns out this kid dies, do you still think he got what he deserved? Even if Nelson was fighting back (note: not defending himself, because in no shape or form was he defending himself) even if the kid punched first, Nelson likely committed manslaughter.

I can understand arguing he was in the right to fight back, but what he did was not fighting back and was cowardly as hell.
Umm ya that was everything to do with anything. When understanding his mindset no guy wants to get embarrassed in front of his girlfriend/wife. Again what the other guy did to start the fight was cowardly as hell. Obviously there needs to be more details of what actually happened.
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Umm ya that was everything to do with anything. When understanding his mindset no guy wants to get embarrassed in front of his girlfriend/wife. Again what the other guy did to start the fight was cowardly as hell. Obviously there needs to be more details of what actually happened.
No, it has nothing to do with justifying what Nelson did. Oh, he was embarrassed to get sucker punched? Guess it's ok to kill someone.

Again, no one has ever said what the victim did was smart, justified, blameless, or not cowardly. Both guys were drunk and idiots. What Nelson did goes well beyond anything that did or should have happened in that situation.

Give me one legitimate reason it was OK for Nelson to kick a semi-conscious person in the head as they lay on the ground? Was his life in danger?
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Big Ten just pocketed an extra $48 million dollars in new TV money due to the deals with cable companies made for East Coast carriage subscribers. At least Maryland and Rutgers can add in that regard to begin with.
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Yea, just saw that and I'm guessing is basically what Delaney wanted from the get go. We'll see how it plays out going forward, especially with championship games on the east coast.

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No, it has nothing to do with justifying what Nelson did. Oh, he was embarrassed to get sucker punched? Guess it's ok to kill someone.

Again, no one has ever said what the victim did was smart, justified, blameless, or not cowardly. Both guys were drunk and idiots. What Nelson did goes well beyond anything that did or should have happened in that situation.

Give me one legitimate reason it was OK for Nelson to kick a semi-conscious person in the head as they lay on the ground? Was his life in danger?
Sucker punching a defenseless person can be legally viewed the same as kicking a defenseless person. People can, and do, die from sucker punches.

These are two separate acts and both are douchebags. Kicking a defenseless person is just as bad as punching a defenseless person.

I haven't seen the video, and don't want to, so I don't have the context. But it sounds like douchebag QB went above and beyond the point of retaliation.

I'll guess that they were all drunk. Getting attacked when drunk doesn't lead to rational thought. I.e. temporary insanity. Blind rage.
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Yea, I mean I'm not defending what the first kid did. That in itself was bad.

The difference is apparently the sucker punch didn't do much damage, where as the kick to the head could kill someone. You don't get off with the defense "he did it first" and you absolutely get punished more severely if the effect of your action is worse.

Now, there is still the argument (from what I read last week) that the knockout punch from the 2nd asshat on Nelson's side was what caused the majority of the damage and they don't know if the kick was the main cause of everything. Even so, it's chickenshit move and there is absolutely no way to justify what Nelson did unless someone's life was in danger and he was preventing it, which is not the case.
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Yea, I mean I'm not defending what the first kid did. That in itself was bad.

The difference is apparently the sucker punch didn't do much damage, where as the kick to the head could kill someone. You don't get off with the defense "he did it first" and you absolutely get punished more severely if the effect of your action is worse.

Now, there is still the argument (from what I read last week) that the knockout punch from the 2nd asshat on Nelson's side was what caused the majority of the damage and they don't know if the kick was the main cause of everything. Even so, it's chickenshit move and there is absolutely no way to justify what Nelson did unless someone's life was in danger and he was preventing it, which is not the case.
I agree with all of that. I just don't want to mitigate the severity and chickenshitedness of sucker punching someone.

Also, the guy wouldn't almost be dead if he hadn't sucker punched a dude. When you go chickenshit a-bomb on someone, it's hard to know what kind of repercussions are going to fall out of that.
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Ohio State D-Lineman Tracy Sprinkle suspended indefinitely for drug possession (cocaine), rioting, failure to disperse at a lounge called the Grown & Sexy.
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