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Old 06-12-2014, 11:51 AM    (permalink
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Default Maurkice Pouncey get 5 year 44 million dollar deal

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11...4-million-deal

Looks like the Browns deal for Mack wasn't that absurd. People are going to have to get used to the fact that the going rate for a very good center is increasing.
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Looks like the Browns deal for Mack wasn't that absurd. People are going to have to get used to the fact that the going rate for a very good center is increasing.
Deal is more team friendly than Mack's, I think.

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According to Jason La Canfora of CBS Sports, Pouncey will pocket $14 million in 2014 and that means his base salary has been lowered to $1 million from the $1,288,375 he was originally scheduled to earn.

If that report holds true, then the $2.75 million roster bonus that Pouncey was originally scheduled to earn in 2014 was rolled into the extension. In other words, the new money give him is around $44 million.

La Canfora also reports that Pouncey can earn $5.5 million in 2015 and that is the sum of his base salary and non-guaranteed roster bonus. In addition, Pouncey can earn $7 million in 2016 which is also made up of a base salary and non-guaranteed roster bonus.

If the numbers above hold true, Pouncey's cap charge for 2014-2016 will be $5,000,625.00, $8.1 million and $9.6 million with nothing past 2014 being fully guaranteed.
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Overpaying average to ok players is becoming a common thing in the NFL now a days, but I guess teams know that someone else will give the player that on the open market so it justifies overpaying them. Next Average Player to over paid will be Andy Dalton and he will get a Jay Cutler type deal.
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Hes good to very good, not "average to ok"
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Overpaying average to ok players is becoming a common thing in the NFL now a days, but I guess teams know that someone else will give the player that on the open market so it justifies overpaying them. Next Average Player to over paid will be Andy Dalton and he will get a Jay Cutler type deal.
Paying someone what they'll get on the open market is the exact opposite of overpaying. That's the going rate.
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Jay Culter has a below average long-term starting QB contract, I don't know why people keep saying he's over paid.
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Really surprised by Pouncey getting more than Mack. I'm not even sure Maurkice is a top-ten center. You could make a pretty easy case for guys like Kalil, Kelce, Mack, Mangold, Myers, Mike Pouncey, Sullivan, Wisniewski being better, and then there are guys like De La Puente, Dietrich-Smith, Montgomery, Wood, etc.
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Really surprised by Pouncey getting more than Mack. I'm not even sure Maurkice is a top-ten center.
He is definitely a top 10 center.

Hes getting more than mack in the sense of dividing 44 by 8. The actual dollars they are guaranteed and the dollars they will proabably earn favor mack a little bit
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Jay Culter has a below average long-term starting QB contract, I don't know why people keep saying he's over paid.
His cap hits in those first 3 years are right around or north of the Franchise number for QB's. It may not be a bad long term deal for Chicago because of the out clause after those 3 years, but he's undoubtedly overpaid from a salary cap perspective.

They paid for the out clause by not pro-rating his bonus. That makes his numbers higher on the front end. Whereas most contracts get more expensive as they go.

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Overpaying average to ok players is becoming a common thing in the NFL now a days, but I guess teams know that someone else will give the player that on the open market so it justifies overpaying them. Next Average Player to over paid will be Andy Dalton and he will get a Jay Cutler type deal.
How is top 5 at his position average to ok?
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How is top 5 at his position average to ok?
Because he is not a top 5 center in the NFL. Mack, Khalil, Wisniewski, Kelce, Mike Pouncey are all better and I would argue that Myers, Sullivan, Mangold, Dietrich-Smith, Unger are better plus I might even consider Wood and De La Puente better then him. I would put in Top 15 of Centers in the NFL but no where near the Top 5 in the NFL. He arguably is the most overrated player in the NFL right now.
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Really surprised by Pouncey getting more than Mack. I'm not even sure Maurkice is a top-ten center. You could make a pretty easy case for guys like Kalil, Kelce, Mack, Mangold, Myers, Mike Pouncey, Sullivan, Wisniewski being better, and then there are guys like De La Puente, Dietrich-Smith, Montgomery, Wood, etc.
If Pouncey wasn't always injured, I'm guessing he'd be considered the best center in the NFL by a fair margin. The injury history with him is what makes this contract so surprising.
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Lets remember all this doesn't matter once the salary cap jumps again. And this was going to happen, when they get paid peanuts on the rookie deal.
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If Pouncey wasn't always injured, I'm guessing he'd be considered the best center in the NFL by a fair margin. The injury history with him is what makes this contract so surprising.
Pouncey missed 3/52 games before blowing out his knee...his ankles are a bit fragile, but he hasnt been exactly injury prone as far as missing time.

Mike Pouncey is a bit better, but hes also a bit more of a scum bag. Maurkice is probably a better fit at LG, Mike is a bit thicker in the legs and can anchor a bit bit better but the pounceys and jon cooper are the best athletes on the interior line in the league.

Munchak gushes over pouncey, should be a good year for him
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Maurkice Pouncey is overrated. The most glaring problem I see when watching him is that he has no lower body strength. Also, he doesn't have that wow factor when you watch him.
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NFL salaries often are about securing a needed player's services and not about their true positional value.

What's the cost of losing Pouncey to FA and trying to fill his position with a player of equal value??

The NFL owners have the money with the perpetually increasing TV and streaming revenue. Let them spend it.

Pouncey was worth $44 mil to the Steelers and in the end that's the only value that matters.
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Maurkice Pouncey is overrated. The most glaring problem I see when watching him is that he has no lower body strength. Also, he doesn't have that wow factor when you watch him.
Wow factor from a center lol

His lower body is a bit thin, he hanst always anchored the best in the power scheme but he can still move guys like ngata, phil taylor, geno atkins.

Hes a perfect fit for munchak and moving more towards a primary ZBS (which was supposed to happen last year but they scrapped it when he got hurt)

Hes been so "overrated" by everyone for years now that he has become and underrated player. He and decastro are going to make the interior line great this year

Your evaluation is weak. "He has no lower body strength", "hes overrated"....please tell us more
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"He won't be able to just use his arm power to throw defenders around at the next level!"

The hell he won't, lol.
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Pouncey isn't even all that good.

Steelers management is really showing signs of incompetence lately. That division will be the Browns' or Bengals' in the coming 5+ years.

And yes, you could just tell him to "go test free agency". Center is not all that important a position that you simply couldn't get by with a free agent / late round pick in his place.

Only foolish teams overspend for less-than-elite players. Smart teams know that EVERYONE is replaceable, with the exception of the top-10 QB.

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Pouncey isn't even all that good.

Steelers management is really showing signs of incompetence lately. That division will be the Browns' or Bengals' in the coming 5+ years.

And yes, you could just tell him to "go test free agency". Center is not all that important a position that you simply couldn't get by with a free agent / late round pick in his place.

Only foolish teams overspend for less-than-elite players. Smart teams know that EVERYONE is replaceable, with the exception of the top-10 QB.
What are you talking about? All teams overspend on players all the time, and not necessarily great ones.

As others have said, when the new cap room kicks in, the deal won't be as problematic. Other interior linemen will get bigger deals. And the huge advantage of the Pouncey deal is that it has very little guaranteed. Alex Mack's deal is guaranteed for 2014, 2015, and 2016. That sums up $26 million. Pouncey got a $13 million guaranteed bonus, and has only $1 million more guaranteed. Furthermore he has two more bonuses that are also not guaranteed. Cutting him would not be as big a financial loss as people think.

And one other reason why I think Pittsburgh paid him what they paid him is the fact that they've struggled to find offensive line talent for the better part of the past decade. They have needed guys at all positions, and desperately. Look at the line they used vs. the Cardinals in the SuperBowl: Max Starks, Chris Kemoeatu, Justin Hartwig, Darnell Stapleton, Willie Colon. Starks and Colon were solid and serviceable at tackle, Kemoeatu was mediocre at best, and Hartwig and Stapleton didn't play for another team after the Steelers cut them. Pouncey is much better than those guys, and the team won't risk losing him to then have to find some other guy who would demand similar money, and who would be unproven to the team.
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That's exactly the kind of attitude that leads to the mess that the Cowboys are in right now.

Just because you "need" a position to be filled doesn't mean you should overspend on a guy. Every position in the NFL can be replaced easily by a guy off the bench (except for QB). How often do we see teams lose a key guy and then just plug in someone else and do well?

Bill Belichick has had the success he's had because he has NEVER caved into pressure of overspending on a single player. He's let go of players far more important than Pouncey in the past - Asante Samuel, Wes Welker, Richard Seymour - and yet his team keeps on rolling, because he knows they're all replaceable.
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