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Old 05-03-2007, 01:06 AM    (permalink
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Lets be honest they got more for BMW than the Raiders got for Moss. If someone said to you they would trade BMW for Moss, everyone would laugh.
Half a 4th rounder > Whole 4th rounder?
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I really like this pickup for the Raiders. Williams is still young only 23 years old and he wants to be a Raider.
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If the Lions had a capable staff they would've realized before they drafted him that he wasn't a fit for their team. Their scouting department is one of the worst in the leagues. The fact that they were trying to shop Calvin Johnson around the league before and after they drafted him, shows even more how dumb they are.
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If the Lions had a capable staff they would've realized before they drafted him that he wasn't a fit for their team.
Williams fit Mariucci's WCO fine.
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Williams never wanted to be here. He didn't understand why they drafted him, then Mariucci put him in the doghouse after a very brief rookie holdout, he never made the effort to fight through it like they wanted him to, his weight got too high, and the coaches had a right to ask him to drop it when he proved to have a hard time getting off the line because he lacked quickness. Then Martz came in and he didn't fit with that, never wanted to work with Martz at all and basically said so, and then just accepted his fate and acted happy to waste away on the bench. Later, injuries forced him into the lineup and he played pretty crappy before finally making a contribution to a win with that catch against Dallas.

^^^ all that is on him alone. Not Millen, not Mariucci, not Martz.


I realize that he will probably have success in Oakland. He may even become a very solid starter, though I don't think he'll ever be a star. He will probably always have some trouble getting open and he's really not that fast, though he probably will look faster in Oakland simply because he's trying.
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He could be a good third reievier if he has a good work ethic.
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The only problem with him being a 3rd WR is that most offenses like the 3rd guy to be a quick slot receiver type and work open spaces in zones on passing downs. MW does not fit that profile, not at all.

I imagine the Raiders are planning to give him every opportunity to win a wideout position opposite Porter (if Porter himself is even there). If he is really as excited about a fresh start as he claims, he could do it, especially in a WR corps like the Raiders. As talented as he is, if he even works a little bit at it he should beat out the likes of Curry, Gabriel and Whitted hands down.
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I think it's the perfect fit for him, it's like a requirement to have a good big receiver at USC, so it should fit with what Kiffin will do, I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to feature the offense around him.
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The only problem with him being a 3rd WR is that most offenses like the 3rd guy to be a quick slot receiver type and work open spaces in zones on passing downs. MW does not fit that profile, not at all.
USC's 3rd receiver last year was 6-5 Michael Turner, so I'm sure Williams will function fine at that spot. I really doubt he beats out Curry, who was arguably the shining start of the offense last year.
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I don't mind the trade at all I don't think he will beat out Ronald Curry for the #2 job I can see him as our #3, maybe.
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He will be an All-Pro in 2 years lol.
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The only problem with him being a 3rd WR is that most offenses like the 3rd guy to be a quick slot receiver type and work open spaces in zones on passing downs. MW does not fit that profile, not at all.

I imagine the Raiders are planning to give him every opportunity to win a wideout position opposite Porter (if Porter himself is even there). If he is really as excited about a fresh start as he claims, he could do it, especially in a WR corps like the Raiders. As talented as he is, if he even works a little bit at it he should beat out the likes of Curry, Gabriel and Whitted hands down.
Just because you're the third receiver doesn't mean that you absolutely have to play in the slot.
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Too bad he can't catch. Lazy nothing, he drops way too many easy passes.
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I'm going to guess you base that on this past year where he had a few drops. Of course, if you actually saw the game, 2 of the 'so called' drops were totally uncatchable horrible passes. If you are basing it on his career up to that point, you are even further off in you statement. Hands are his forte. Speed is not. Anyone with a clue knows that.
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lets all remember, williams got screwed by entering the draft early when he thought he would be eligible, then found out he couldnt get drafted or participate with USC...for a guy his size that hurt him, thus him suffering from an instant impact...


had it not been for the year off, i feel like he would of already been a solid player at this point, never the fastest guy, but good at what he does best which is be a possession wr/red zone target, who is very young with lots of potential still left
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Hmmmmm........would anyone kill me if I were to compare him to another WR (who he actually trained with) who left one town classified as having a bad work ethic/attitude and went on to have one of the greatest receiving careers of all time in Cris Carter?
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Hmmmmm........would anyone kill me if I were to compare him to another WR (who he actually trained with) who left one town classified as having a bad work ethic/attitude and went on to have one of the greatest receiving careers of all time in Cris Carter?
That's a comparison that I have been mulling over lately. "All he does is catch touchdowns." Carter was big, certainly not fast, but very good in the red zone with very good hands.
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Was the injury that hobbled him this weekend from a few weeks prior or did it occur in the last few days? If he suffered the injury this weekend what do you think that says about his preparation/work-ethic? I'm rooting for him, but it seems like the same ol thing.
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That's who I thought he was coming out a few years ago, with a bit more height. But he hasn't lived up to it yet.
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i still dont get why people kept calling him fat. Hes always played over 230 hasnt he?

just because he didnt make weight doesnt mean hes fat..hes a big guy and its not like he just magically got up to 230 or 235 whatever he is/was..hes always been around there
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I've said this before and I'll say it again: I think the change of scenery will do wonders for him. He'll never be the suerstar people expected him to be when he was first drafted, but he does still have a chance to be a good receiver.
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That's who I thought he was coming out a few years ago, with a bit more height. But he hasn't lived up to it yet.
Carter didn't live up to it at first either, rather when I believe it was his mother who died, and he completely rededicated himself and the rest was history. All it took, was for him to dedicate himself and for that dedicated self to get a chance and I see no reason why Williams couldn't do the same. Nevertheless, let's be realistic here, as receivers like Cris Carter come around very.........very rarily.
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I hope that Williams can improve with the change of scenery in Oakland, I still think he got a raw deal from the NFL when he tried to come out the first time along with Maurice Clarrett.
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