Where will the QB class of 2004 rank all-time

[detknowitall]

Originally Posted by elway777

What,how can you forget J.P. Losman?

I cant and thats the problem.

[ShutDwn]

Originally Posted by steel man

people can think i am crazy, but i watched every game of Ben's college and pro carrer and i also saw Ben in person and imo he is the best. true football fans and people who break the games down know that stats does not matter as much as most people think, all that matters is winning and that what Ben does and so far he's done it better than anyone else in the history of this game. he killed the record for most wins to start a carrer, most wins over any 2 year span(and missed some games),helped his team win 14 stright and go 15-1 and went to the champinship game then the next year was the youngest QB to win a super bowl. anyone that is a Steelers fan or a fan of the game knows that the steelers have been pretty much the same team they are now execpt with a different QB and they could not win with Maddox,Kordell,Tomzack anyone they put back there just could not win. Then we drafted Ben and now in 2 years we are super bowl champs and could have won it in his 1st year. you want your QB's and teams to win and thats what he does and everybody will not give him credit. i do not base my comments on stats i base my comments on 4th qr comebacks, when your team needs a important throw and the QB makes it. when your team needs someone to step up and he does. items like that is what i base my "best QB in the NFL" on so it is not ridiculous that i say Ben is the best QB in the NFL because he is. take Manning he has just as good of a team but they could not beat the steelers even with bad calls. Manning and Marino's stats say they are the 2 best but Mannung has never been to the super bowl and Marino went to 1 and lost and even Elway and Frave could not win one until they got a team around them and Bledsoe even took the same NE team to the super bowl before Brady did and Brady needed to get Dillion to be able to go back. so this about Ben having a good team around him, well every super bowl team does the winning teams and losing teams(Bills,Seahawks). Montana,Brady, Ben, and Bradshaw may not had the best stats but they just won. plus Ben showed he could throw with the best of them and if he was in a different system he could put up big,big numbers and cowher and co. calls the plays and they are set in their ways about running the ball and you can not blame them with the QB's they have had in the past, but now i think they will open up more snice they have the best QB in football,in BIG BEN!! :D :mrgreen: :P

Steelers rushing attempts last year: 549 most in the NFL
Steelers passing attempts last year: 379 Least in the NFL


So, about winning games...

[eacantdraft]

Originally Posted by San Diego Chicken

The 99 draft was good for QB's -

Future HOF -

Donovan McNabb
Daunte Culpepper

Starter

Aaron Brooks

Decent backups

Shaun King

But there were alot of busts too -

Tim Couch
Akili Smith
Cade McNown



The 2003 draft looks like it will turn out pretty good -

Future HOF

Carson Palmer

Starters

Byron Leftwich
Chris Simms
Rex Grossman
Kyle Boller

5 starters in one draft is pretty good.

McNabb, Culpepper, and Palmer are not even near certain future Hall of Famers. They have a long way to go to even get serious considerations.

[eacantdraft]

Originally Posted by sweetness34

Big Ben is a good QB, I won't deny that. But he's not yet a great one. The Steelers run game and their defense are really what got them to where they were last year. Big Ben played a big part, but he didn't really carry that team. He made the plays he had to in order to help his team win and he had a good year last season, but not a great one.

But I do think when it's all said and done, he'll be a great QB. And maybe this is the year where he takes his game to the next level.

Who carried the Steelers to the Super Bowl last season when their running game went south? Big Ben. The Pittsburgh running game was not very effective in the AFC playoffs and Big Ben put up some great stats that got the Steelers to the Super Bowl. Maybe that silly two week waiting period cooled off Big Ben in the Super Bowl, but the Steelers would not have gotten to the Super Bowl with Tommy Maddox or Charlie Batch.

[njx9]

Originally Posted by eacantdraft

Who carried the Steelers to the Super Bowl last season when their running game went south? Big Ben. The Pittsburgh running game was not very effective in the AFC playoffs and Big Ben put up some great stats that got the Steelers to the Super Bowl. Maybe that silly two week waiting period cooled off Big Ben in the Super Bowl, but the Steelers would not have gotten to the Super Bowl with Tommy Maddox or Charlie Batch.

be honest. with maddox, they would've been 4-12.

[eacantdraft]

Back to the original question.

I rank the 1983 class as the best with 3 Hall of Famers and Ken O'Brien who had a few very good years.

The class of 1973 would have to be second with Dan Fouts, Burt Jones, and Ron Jaworski.

The class of 1971 wasn't a slouch either with Archie Manning, Joe Theismann, Dan Pastorini, Lynn Dickey, Jim Plunkett, and Ken Anderson.