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Old 08-26-2006, 01:33 PM    (permalink
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Ive never seen a young qb get so much hate in my life.
That's because he's a *****. I don't like players demanding who can and cannot draft them, and I will never like Eli because of that. It's not like people just decided to dislike Eli, he brought it on himself.

As for his abilities as a player, he had a decent season last year. I think the people that hate on him go overboard but I think the people that defend him go way overboard too. At this point in his career his little better than mediocre and untill he makes that next step it's too presumptuous to assume that he will.
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Gotta be Giants

Brunell is old, and he has injury issues and was non-existent sometimes. Lloyd and Randle El are both a bit overrated.

Bledsoe is older, but this mostly falls on the O-line and injury prone RBs.

I think the Eagles should get more credit. They have enough WRs to be efficent, and McNabb and the O-line is excellent. I guess the RB and Wr position pull them down in most peoples eyes.

Giants have Eli, a developing QB, Tiki who is a solid Runner who can do it anywhere, and now a deep threat at WR in Moss, great tall guy in Burress, and just solid player in Toomer. I think the O-line isn't great, but it is underrated some.
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At this point in his career his [sic] little better than mediocre and untill he makes that next step it's too presumptuous to assume that he will.
Manning lead his team to an 11-5 record and a division title, in one of the toughest division in football, in his first full year of starting. He had 3,762 passing yards, 24 TDs, and 17 INTs.

I'd say that he's more than just a "little better than mediocre."
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At this point in his career his [sic] little better than mediocre and untill he makes that next step it's too presumptuous to assume that he will.
Manning lead his team to an 11-5 record and a division title, in one of the toughest division in football, in his first full year of starting. He had 3,762 passing yards, 24 TDs, and 17 INTs.

I'd say that he's more than just a "little better than mediocre."
And broke most Giant records for a qb in just his first year starting. If thats a little better than mediocre, whats mediocre?

I understand he gets alot of hate for what he did on draft day, and rightfully so, but like I said previously, if you hate Eli Manning, you have to hate John Elway as well. And most people who hate Eli, don't hate Elway which makes them hypocritical. I know bearsfan hates Elway as well, so he's not a hypocrite, but alot of people are.
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Redskins have best OL, best WR's, best RB and brunell is 2nd best QB. its the redskins
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Redskins have best OL, best WR's, best RB and brunell is 2nd best QB. its the redskins
Just curious, but who is the best QB? Because you are either saying Brunell is better than Manning or Brunell is better than McNabb.
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Redskins have best OL, best WR's, best RB and brunell is 2nd best QB. its the redskins
Just curious, but who is the best QB? Because you are either saying Brunell is better than Manning or Brunell is better than McNabb.
manning and brunell are equal IMO i meant to put 2nd or 3rd best. Mcnabb is the 3rd best QB in the NFL IMO
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Manning is better than Brunell. This year Manning will improve again and Brunell is still old as hell. Most players at his age don't get better with age.

And I'lll take the Giants recievers over the Redskins. Moss is a better than Burress sure but the trio of Burress, Tommer and Moss is better than Moss, Lloyd and Randle El.
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That is also why I went with Washington. You win games in the trenches.
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Manning is better than Brunell. This year Manning will improve again and Brunell is still old as hell. Most players at his age don't get better with age.

And I'lll take the Giants recievers over the Redskins. Moss is a better than Burress sure but the trio of Burress, Tommer and Moss is better than Moss, Lloyd and Randle El.
I can't believe you just said that...

Burress, Tommer, and lil moss, we can even add Carter, couldn't hold

Santana, Lloyd(better hands that any of them), ARE or Patten jock straps.. It is easily the deepest in the NFC east.

They aren't even close to the Boys trio of Owens, Glenn and Crayton.....
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The Cowboys are the only team with two legit stars at WR. Brandon Lloyd has made some circus catches but hasnt had a great year yet and Toomer, is not consistant anymore, you never know what guy is gonna show up to the game.
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The Cowboys are the only team with two legit stars at WR. Brandon Lloyd has made some circus catches but hasnt had a great year yet and Toomer, is not consistant anymore, you never know what guy is gonna show up to the game.
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T.O. and Terry Glenn. Are the best one-two punch in the NFC East, no logical argument can be made against this.
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T.O. and Terry Glenn. Are the best one-two punch in the NFC East, no logical argument can be made against this.
Worst QB. Arguably the worst line. 3rd best RB. A couple of good WRs does not make an offense great.
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Worst QB? How is Eli or Brunell better than Bledsoe? please explain.
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They have arguably the worst RBs too...if Buckhalter is healthy. So they'll probably have the 3rd best RBs.

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Because Bledsoe is a statue stuck behind a horrible line. He has no mobility WHATSOEVER. If he doesnt get sacked atleast 50 times this year I will be shocked.
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Worst QB? How is Eli or Brunell better than Bledsoe? please explain.
Eli has much more presence in the pocket than Bledsoe does. He avoids pressure very well and he knows when to get rid of the ball. His is still on his way to the top of his game while Bledsoe is either at the peak of his career or the downfall. They both have strong arms with often inaccuracies but Eli looks better at the top of his game than Bledsoe does at the top of his game.

You could make a case for Bledsoe being better than Brunell, but Brunell makes less mistakes.
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I'm sick of hearing that the Cowboys line is so bad. They have a completly different O-Line this year, there is no way of knowing if they will be lousy as of right now. Former Pro Bowler Flozell Adams is now healthy, we have a new LG, we have a new C, Marco Rivera is at 100%, and we have a new RT.

As for Bledsoe, he may not be mobile but, he is the most accurate QB in the NFC East, yes even better than Mcnabb. T.O. and the new double TE offense is only going to give him more time and is only going to help him.

Lets do a comparison. (I'll exclude Mcnabb because, he didnt play everygame last year)

2005 stats

Bledsoe 300-499 60.1% 3639 yards 23 Tds 17 INTS

Brunell 262-454 57.7% 3050 yards 23 Tds 10 INTS

Manning 294-557 52.8% 3762 yards 24 Tds 17 INTS

All three put up similar numbers last year but, what stands out is bledsoe's completeion percentage. This is without T.O. what do you think he will do with him?

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1. Mcnabb
2. Bledsoe
3. Brunell
4. Manning (I'm telling you if he didnt have the 6'5 Plax, he wouldnt have thrown for over 50%.)
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Worst QB? How is Eli or Brunell better than Bledsoe? please explain.
Eli has much more presence in the pocket than Bledsoe does. He avoids pressure very well and he knows when to get rid of the ball. His is still on his way to the top of his game while Bledsoe is either at the peak of his career or the downfall. They both have strong arms with often inaccuracies but Eli looks better at the top of his game than Bledsoe does at the top of his game.

You could make a case for Bledsoe being better than Brunell, but Brunell makes less mistakes.
Bledsoe is never inaccurate, he makes all the throws. Eli still needs a lot of work with his accruarcy. Will Eli be a top QB in a few years? yes, but as of right now he is not as good as Bledsoe.
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Eli has much more presence in the pocket than Bledsoe does. He avoids pressure very well and he knows when to get rid of the ball. His is still on his way to the top of his game while Bledsoe is either at the peak of his career or the downfall. They both have strong arms with often inaccuracies but Eli looks better at the top of his game than Bledsoe does at the top of his game.

You could make a case for Bledsoe being better than Brunell, but Brunell makes less mistakes.
Bledsoe is never inaccurate, he makes all the throws. Eli still needs a lot of work with his accruarcy. Will Eli be a top QB in a few years? yes, but as of right now he is not as good as Bledsoe.
I disagree but I'm not getting into an argument over it. I respect the Cowboys and I think they will join us in the playoffs.
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Eli has much more presence in the pocket than Bledsoe does. He avoids pressure very well and he knows when to get rid of the ball. His is still on his way to the top of his game while Bledsoe is either at the peak of his career or the downfall. They both have strong arms with often inaccuracies but Eli looks better at the top of his game than Bledsoe does at the top of his game.

You could make a case for Bledsoe being better than Brunell, but Brunell makes less mistakes.
Bledsoe is never inaccurate, he makes all the throws. Eli still needs a lot of work with his accruarcy. Will Eli be a top QB in a few years? yes, but as of right now he is not as good as Bledsoe.
I disagree but I'm not getting into an argument over it. I respect the Cowboys and I think they will join us in the playoffs.
I dont want to get into an argument either, I have nothing against you guys.
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Next season I will take Bledsoe over Eli and day of the week.
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