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Old 06-23-2007, 08:50 PM    (permalink
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michael bennett is not good. you have fun with him.
He has been to the pro bowl and averaged 5.6 yards a carry in the limited playing time he got. He doesn't have to be starter good but he is a decent backup.
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Tony Gonzalez is a great player yes, but saying he's at the same level he was a couple years ago is a little homerish of you. No doubt he takes good care of himself, and he is a good player, but he simply does not have the same tools he did now. Again to reiterate, still good, but slowing down. I wasn't discounting him as a weapon.
In the 9 seasons Tony Gonzalez has been a starter he has averaged:

76.4 receptions a season
926.8 yards a season
6.5 touchdowns a season

Last year he had:
73 receptions
900 yards
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How exactly has his production declined from past years? He is still putting up just as good as stats as he has in the past and he is still making the pro bowl every year.

The stats don't back up your claim.
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Tony Gonzalez will soon statistically be the best of all time, which IMO he is.
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Fantastic article by Adam Schefter on LJ, which I recommend everyone read.
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He has been to the pro bowl and averaged 5.6 yards a carry in the limited playing time he got. He doesn't have to be starter good but he is a decent backup.
lol if you guys lose KJ your offense will go down the drain. Every defense will play back on the TE and WR's which wont allow you guys to do much.
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Tony Gonzalez will soon statistically be the best of all time, which IMO he is.
Yeah but Gates is on pace to blow those records away. It's like Favre and Manning.
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Ok, here we go...

Vick, if he violates his contract in a certain way (I think being in jail or convicted or something falls under that someone said) can be cut without penalty.

Petrino loves power running. He has a great explosive back but lacks a power guy.

So...Falcons give the Chiefs a 2nd round pick (they have 2 next year) and a conditional 4th in '09 draft for Larry Johnson. We can pony up the money and you get a high pick (probably top 40).

Only thing I wouldn't do is throw in Norwood, which they would probably want. Kind of like the Champ Bailey (2nd round pick) and Clinton Portis (Larry Johnson) deal a couple years ago when Bell (Norwood) was thrown in. Norwood is too beasty to not be on our team.

Just dreaming...

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2nd and a 4th for basically the 2nd best back in the league?

Pass me what your smoking, because it must be good.
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2nd and a 4th for basically the 2nd best back in the league?

Pass me what your smoking, because it must be good.
Isn't that exactly what the Colts got for Marshall Faulk?
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Isn't that exactly what the Colts got for Marshall Faulk?
Faulk was traded to the St. Louis Rams the following season due to problems he referred to as "misunderstandings." Faulk had missed practices and was considered holding out for a new contract. Colts president Bill Polian did not want his young team's chemistry damaged, so he traded Faulk for second- and fifth-round picks in the upcoming draft (used by the Colts to draft LB Mike Peterson and DE Brad Scioli).



So it was less.
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Ok, here we go...

Vick, if he violates his contract in a certain way (I think being in jail or convicted or something falls under that someone said) can be cut without penalty.

Petrino loves power running. He has a great explosive back but lacks a power guy.

So...Falcons give the Chiefs a 2nd round pick (they have 2 next year) and a conditional 4th in '09 draft for Larry Johnson. We can pony up the money and you get a high pick (probably top 40).

Only thing I wouldn't do is throw in Norwood, which they would probably want. Kind of like the Champ Bailey (2nd round pick) and Clinton Portis (Larry Johnson) deal a couple years ago when Bell (Norwood) was thrown in. Norwood is too beasty to not be on our team.

Just dreaming...

Norwood and LJ would be insane.
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Those where rumors at best, because there is no way a GM like Ted Thompson would give that much for a running back who really only has 2 good years left.
that is ridiculous, hes been starting for a year and a half and youre saying he has 2 good years left? LJ is a tank but its true that Herm Edwards is asking way too much of him, and will run him into the ground like this, which could maybe make Larry Johnsons career end up similar to someone like Earl Campbell, but he still lasted a lot more than 4 years. But I dont blame Larry for wanting to get a big payday now with the market being as good as it is and him being in his prime.
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So...Falcons give the Chiefs a 2nd round pick (they have 2 next year) and a conditional 4th in '09 draft for Larry Johnson. We can pony up the money and you get a high pick (probably top 40).
Conditional 4th, lol.

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Only thing I wouldn't do is throw in Norwood, which they would probably want. Kind of like the Champ Bailey (2nd round pick) and Clinton Portis (Larry Johnson) deal a couple years ago when Bell (Norwood) was thrown in. Norwood is too beasty to not be on our team.

Just dreaming...
Tatum Bell wasn't thrown in, the Redskins included their 2nd round pick in the deal which the Broncos used on Bell.

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Faulk was traded to the St. Louis Rams the following season due to problems he referred to as "misunderstandings." Faulk had missed practices and was considered holding out for a new contract. Colts president Bill Polian did not want his young team's chemistry damaged, so he traded Faulk for second- and fifth-round picks in the upcoming draft (used by the Colts to draft LB Mike Peterson and DE Brad Scioli).

So it was less.
And the Colts also had the 4th overall pick in the 1999 Draft, with which they could have used to draft either Edgerrin James or Ricky Williams, hence why Polian pulled the trigger on trading away the nearing-malcontent Faulk.
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In the 9 seasons Tony Gonzalez has been a starter he has averaged:

76.4 receptions a season
926.8 yards a season
6.5 touchdowns a season

Last year he had:
73 receptions
900 yards
5 touchdowns

How exactly has his production declined from past years? He is still putting up just as good as stats as he has in the past and he is still making the pro bowl every year.

The stats don't back up your claim.
yeah but watching Tony play I dont feel like hes the same dominant player he used to be. Still an elite TE (second only to Gates), but not quite as good and thats my opinion regardless of stats. And the stats would indicates hes slowing down...

G GS REC YDS AVG LG TD 20+ 40+ 1st
1999 15 15 76 849 11.2 73 11 8 1 47
2000 16 16 93 1203 12.9 39 9 16 0 66
2001 16 16 73 917 12.6 36 6 13 0 49
2002 16 16 63 773 12.3 42 7 10 1 39
2003 16 16 71 916 12.9 67 10 14 2 48
2004 16 16 102 1258 12.3 32 7 19 0 69
2005 16 16 78 905 11.6 39 2 9 0 45
2006 15 15 73 900 12.3 57 5 9 1 54

Look at his number from 99-04 and from 05-06. 7 TDs combined in those 2 years, compared to 8.33 a year from 99-04, and look at the decline in receptions for 20+ or 40+ yards. Hes still great but I think were seeing the begginning of a decline for him.
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Conditional 4th, lol.


Tatum Bell wasn't thrown in, the Redskins included their 2nd round pick in the deal which the Broncos used on Bell.


And the Colts also had the 4th overall pick in the 1999 Draft, with which they could have used to draft either Edgerrin James or Ricky Williams, hence why Polian pulled the trigger on trading away the nearing-malcontent Faulk.
Well, the Falcons obviously wouldn't give a top 10 pick (which they will likely have) for a 27 year old RB. So a top 40 pick and a 3rd/4th would probably be the only option. And keep in mind I said dreaming.

I didn't know that about Bell.
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Those where rumors at best, because there is no way a GM like Ted Thompson would give that much for a running back who really only has 2 good years left.
Well Ted Thompson likes to have a guy in the backfield who he can trust. He has Shawn Alexander in Seattle and he tried to keep Ahman Green.
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Fantastic article by Adam Schefter on LJ, which I recommend everyone read.
Good article. Very interesting to see how this will end up.
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well i hope dallas doesnt shoot for him, i dont want to pay him that type of money...but he deserves it, and i cant blame him for asking...if briggs, and samuel along with others feel the same, he should as well...he had a huge season, consider that he started his career behind holmes, he wants his big payday...if the chiefs dont want that type of money invested, they should seek a trade and part ways now...

doubt the pack really still need him, if the browns have that type of money it wouldnt be a bad idea for them to go after him, or the texans
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If KC does trade him or something, their RB situation is going to be pure crap.
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Conditional 4th, lol.


Tatum Bell wasn't thrown in, the Redskins included their 2nd round pick in the deal which the Broncos used on Bell.


And the Colts also had the 4th overall pick in the 1999 Draft, with which they could have used to draft either Edgerrin James or Ricky Williams, hence why Polian pulled the trigger on trading away the nearing-malcontent Faulk.
actually a 2nd and a 4th isnt that bad at all...now id prefer some type of player involved with these type of deals, id look for something along the lines of, 2nd, 4th, and a back along the lines of Ladell Betts...or a 3rd rder as well, getting alot of picks for a player can be a dice roll, but if you hit on all the picks, you definately end up with the upper hand


All I have to say is Javon Walker, everyone tried to blast him, including favre for thinking about holding out, he came out and played and look at what happened...if I were LJ id stick to my word and hold out just the same, the chiefs should at least get compensated if they dont want to pay the big bucks...i would of been shopping him around at draft time knowing this was coming
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i would of been shopping him around at draft time knowing this was coming
Actually, I believe that they were to some small degree.
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He has been to the pro bowl and averaged 5.6 yards a carry in the limited playing time he got. He doesn't have to be starter good but he is a decent backup.
I coulda rushed for 1,000 yards and made the pro-bowl team with that Vikings offense though....and I am a slow fat white guy.
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