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Old 11-09-2006, 10:50 PM    (permalink
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So I guess by that logic, nobody should draft anyone in the first round?


Anyway, the most important unit on a field is the OL. And as DG said, tackles should be first round, as well as great gyuards, and centers (Like Mangold). The very good ones will go 2nd and 3rd, and every once in a while, someone might luck out and get a gem later.
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Old 11-09-2006, 10:54 PM    (permalink
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every once in a while, someone might luck out and get a gem later.
No this isnt the Quarterback position were talking about here. There are at least 10-20 O-lineman drafted in the middle to late rounds a year that become solid starters in their career. Couldnt say that for the Quarterback position.
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every once in a while, someone might luck out and get a gem later.
No this isnt the Quarterback position were talking about here. There are at least 10-20 O-lineman drafted in the middle to late rounds a year that become solid starters in their career. Couldnt say that for the Quarterback position.
Ten to twenty per year? That's reaching a little bit. I think five or six is a more accurate statement.
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every once in a while, someone might luck out and get a gem later.
No this isnt the Quarterback position were talking about here. There are at least 10-20 O-lineman drafted in the middle to late rounds a year that become solid starters in their career. Couldnt say that for the Quarterback position.
Ten to twenty per year? That's reaching a little bit. I think five or six is a more accurate statement.
Yeah Reaching a bit... 5-10 per year. But you catch my drift
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Old 11-09-2006, 11:32 PM    (permalink
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Of course there undervalued.

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well the Jets used 2 first rounders for offensive linemen this year and i think it was a wise decision. With a monster OT and an intelligent C their offensive line is the best it has been in quite a while (even when Mawae was there). i think it is worth it....
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Debate on another board I'm on. Are offensive lineman worth taking in the 1st round or are do they take away from other needs and can be gotten in later rounds?

Since recent Super Bowl teams have at least one first round stud on their offensive line while teams who draft offensive line low (Cleveland, Dallas, Houston) tend to struggle despite the talent they have at the skilled positions.
If the OL guy had a high grade, maybe, but I would rather take a stud defender or quality skill player. GB drafted an O-lineman in R2, R3 and R5. All three played against the Vikings yesterday, and no sacks were given up. The LT is an R2 guy, the starting RT was a R7 guy and the center was another R7 guy. Things were rough early having so many young guys, but the group has only given up 11 sacks, tied for 3rd fewest in the NFL and the team has improved to #11 in the NFL for rushing yards.
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Old 11-13-2006, 10:10 AM    (permalink
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Mike Williams, Leonard Davis, and Robert Gallery anyone?

Aaron Gibson, the list goes on.
With the exception of Gallery, all of those names you mentioned were overweight run blockers. I had said they were taken too high the year they were drafted (with the exception of Gallery).

Gallery fooled me just like he did everyone else.
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Old 11-13-2006, 10:48 AM    (permalink
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Lineman definately deserve to go in the first round. A good offensive lien will win you alot of games even if you don't have the best skill positions.
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Old 11-13-2006, 12:31 PM    (permalink
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You can point to big busts at the OLine position, but I believe I read somewhere that first round OLine picks are safer (lower bust rate) than any other position in the NFL. That may or may not be true. Every year, you will have huge stars and huge busts in every round. That's why they have a draft and scouting. Given the impact that OLine and DLinemen have on a game, there is no reason not to draft elite and talented players in the first round.
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Old 11-14-2006, 08:49 AM    (permalink
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GM's draft the highest rated player on the board and if the talent level is close, they draft a position of need. They don't care about all the cliques such as games are won in the trenches etc. That's for fans who don't get fired for their ideas. The only exception to the drafting rule is for the #1 overall pick. If a franchise QB is there, he is going to be the #1 overall pick even if it involves a trade.
The key positions on offense are QB and LT followed by RB and WR. The key positions on defense are DE and CB's followed by DT. These positions are always going to be drafted with a high priority by teams. The other positions on a football team are just no considered top priorities. Of course, your rating still counts for a lot but things being relatively equal, these positions will be drafted ahead of others. Does that mean say a LB cannot be drafted high, of course not. If their rating is much higher than the top priority players, they will be drafted ahead of them but if it isn't significantly higher, they'll be drafted after them.
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Look at last year's super bowl, then decide that O/D-Line isn't worth it. To win , you need top tier trench players.
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Thanks for your incredible post, where you point to a single example of a former #2 overall pick that didn't pan out. Your contributions have been most valuable... I look forward to further insightful analysis later...
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