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Last week it was a ELI SUCKS!!!! thread. This week it's a thread comparing Manning to the greatest QB in nfl history. :roll: You people flip flop more than John Kerry on foreign policy.

I just came to this site a couple weeks ago but I have always been an Eli supporter
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if eli manning carries the new york giants to the super bowl next year, literally by himself on offense, you can compare him to elway and i'll agree with you. until that happens, the only similarity they *might* have is that their hometown fans hate them in year 3 (and i don't know for sure if the general giants fans hate eli yet or not).
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Is this thread a joke?
Seriously. John Elway is arguably the greatest QB to ever live. At the HS level, college level, and in the NFL. *arguably*
Eli is Peyton's brother and Archie's son. He has plenty of potential, but nothing like what Elway had. There are a few parallels in their stories at this point in Eli's career, but that's the extent of it. It's like comparing Luke Ridnour to John Stockton. Some similarities, but.......not even close.
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Is this thread a joke?
Seriously. John Elway is arguably the greatest QB to ever live. At the HS level, college level, and in the NFL. *arguably*
Eli is Peyton's brother and Archie's son. He has plenty of potential, but nothing like what Elway had. There are a few parallels in their stories at this point in Eli's career, but that's the extent of it. It's like comparing Luke Ridnour to John Stockton. Some similarities, but.......not even close.
As far as HS goes they didn't get much more dominant than Kerry Collins.
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Is this thread a joke?
Seriously. John Elway is arguably the greatest QB to ever live. At the HS level, college level, and in the NFL. *arguably*
Eli is Peyton's brother and Archie's son. He has plenty of potential, but nothing like what Elway had. There are a few parallels in their stories at this point in Eli's career, but that's the extent of it. It's like comparing Luke Ridnour to John Stockton. Some similarities, but.......not even close.
As far as HS goes they didn't get much more dominant than Kerry Collins.
Yeah, it's tough to argue about that 'cuz none of us have seen enough guys at that level to label anybody the best. I'm just going off what I've heard. When Elway showed up at Stanford as a Freshman, 2 sophomore's immediately transferred out. Don't much care about that, or his college career though 'cuz that was before my time. From what I've seen though, he was the best QB in the NFL. Just ahead of Dan Marino.
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-Eli Manning and John Elway were both the #1 pick in the draft. They were both traded for the 4th player chosen in the draft along with other players and picks.

-Eli Manning and John Elway were both drafted by teams that they never played for, and demanded a trade.

-both Eli and Elway were Hiesman finalists, but didn't receive the award

-Eli and Elway were both drafted first in drafts rich in the Quarterback position (Marino and Jim Kelly, Phil Rivers and Big Ben)

- their stats through 3 seasons are almost identical. Just take a look

Elway

1983 123/259 47.4% 1,663 yards 7 TDs 14 INTs
1984 214/380 56.3% 2,598 yards 18 TDs 15 INTs
1985 327/605 54.0% 3,891 yards 22 TDs 23 INTs

Eli

2004 95/197 48.2% 1043 yards 6 TDs 9 INTs
2005 294/557 52.8 3762 yards 24 TDs 17 INTs
2006 314/530 59.0% 3486 yards 25.3 TDs 20 INTs

I projected Eli's last 4 games of 2006.

- Eli looks a lot like Elway with his fourth quarter heroics.



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Is this thread a joke?
Seriously. John Elway is arguably the greatest QB to ever live. At the HS level, college level, and in the NFL. *arguably*
Eli is Peyton's brother and Archie's son. He has plenty of potential, but nothing like what Elway had. There are a few parallels in their stories at this point in Eli's career, but that's the extent of it. It's like comparing Luke Ridnour to John Stockton. Some similarities, but.......not even close.
He's right though... Elway and Eli both were unimpressive their first years. So Eli MUST be the next Elway. Totally makes sense. (NOT)

Come on... Elway was a GREAT quarterback who just had to get started, maybe (for the giants' sake hopefully) he will someday justify the fact that the Giants gave up Rivers & Merriman for him. But for now, Eli Manning is an avarage quarterback at best. What he's going to do in the next few years remains to be seen. Don't go compare him to one of the greats just because they both got off to a rough start.
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This is just an extension of the Giants Team Discussion. The only people who will think this comparison works are Giant fans.
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Smitty agree's with you.....
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-Eli Manning and John Elway were both the #1 pick in the draft. They were both traded for the 4th player chosen in the draft along with other players and picks.

-Eli Manning and John Elway were both drafted by teams that they never played for, and demanded a trade.

-both Eli and Elway were Hiesman finalists, but didn't receive the award

-Eli and Elway were both drafted first in drafts rich in the Quarterback position (Marino and Jim Kelly, Phil Rivers and Big Ben)

- their stats through 3 seasons are almost identical. Just take a look

Elway

1983 123/259 47.4% 1,663 yards 7 TDs 14 INTs
1984 214/380 56.3% 2,598 yards 18 TDs 15 INTs
1985 327/605 54.0% 3,891 yards 22 TDs 23 INTs

Eli

2004 95/197 48.2% 1043 yards 6 TDs 9 INTs
2005 294/557 52.8 3762 yards 24 TDs 17 INTs
2006 314/530 59.0% 3486 yards 25.3 TDs 20 INTs

I projected Eli's last 4 games of 2006.

- Eli looks a lot like Elway with his fourth quarter heroics.



Peyton Manning may be the next Dan Marino, but Eli is the next John Elway, who has the rings.
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excellent response. :roll:

so glad you decided to post just for THAT.
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the other interesting thing here, is how few of you have any idea what you're talking about with regard to elway. most of you only remember his last two year when he finally won the super bowl because most of you were either not old enough, or didn't live anywhere near denver to see his games. everyone in denver HATED him for his early years. a fair number of broncos fans hated him right up till the 97-98 season.

again, in his fourth year, elway finally showed that he can put a team on his back and carry it someplace. he did it two more times before anyone on the offense helped at all.

either post why this is a ridiculous comparison (i think it is for several reasons, but that's not the point) or sit down, shut up and wait till next year.
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-Eli Manning and John Elway were both the #1 pick in the draft. They were both traded for the 4th player chosen in the draft along with other players and picks.

-Eli Manning and John Elway were both drafted by teams that they never played for, and demanded a trade.

-both Eli and Elway were Hiesman finalists, but didn't receive the award

-Eli and Elway were both drafted first in drafts rich in the Quarterback position (Marino and Jim Kelly, Phil Rivers and Big Ben)

- their stats through 3 seasons are almost identical. Just take a look

Elway

1983 123/259 47.4% 1,663 yards 7 TDs 14 INTs
1984 214/380 56.3% 2,598 yards 18 TDs 15 INTs
1985 327/605 54.0% 3,891 yards 22 TDs 23 INTs

Eli

2004 95/197 48.2% 1043 yards 6 TDs 9 INTs
2005 294/557 52.8 3762 yards 24 TDs 17 INTs
2006 314/530 59.0% 3486 yards 25.3 TDs 20 INTs

I projected Eli's last 4 games of 2006.

- Eli looks a lot like Elway with his fourth quarter heroics.



Peyton Manning may be the next Dan Marino, but Eli is the next John Elway, who has the rings.
God your an idiot.
excellent response. :roll:

so glad you decided to post just for THAT.
Everyone else pretty much called him out on where and why heis wrong. Nothing much to add after that.
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the other interesting thing here, is how few of you have any idea what you're talking about with regard to elway. most of you only remember his last two year when he finally won the super bowl because most of you were either not old enough, or didn't live anywhere near denver to see his games. everyone in denver HATED him for his early years. a fair number of broncos fans hated him right up till the 97-98 season.

again, in his fourth year, elway finally showed that he can put a team on his back and carry it someplace. he did it two more times before anyone on the offense helped at all.

either post why this is a ridiculous comparison (i think it is for several reasons, but that's not the point) or sit down, shut up and wait till next year.
Elway had success in his 2nd year. The team went 13-3 and would have won the playoff game against Pittsburgh if Reeves would have pulled Elway after he injured his groin and put in Kubiak.

The teams that Elway took to the Super Bowl in the 80's had no business of even being in the playoffs. Sammy Winder at RB and the 3 amigos at WR were not exactly Pro Bowlers. It was Elway and a turnover producing defense that got them to the Super Bowl where they inevitably met a much stronger NFC team.

Eli style is no where similar to Elway. Eli is not good at throwing on the run. He's more mobile than Peyton, but is not a runner. Eli also has a possible future HOF at RB and upper eschelon WR's, but has yet to score his first playoff points. He gives the typical Manning performance in the playoffs.

Elway and his father saw Baltimore for what it was, a horrible franchise. Eli and his father showed they could judge talent if it was right in front of them.
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Everyone else pretty much called him out on where and why heis wrong. Nothing much to add after that.
and yet you still felt compelled to add something. awesome.
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Elway had success in his 2nd year. The team went 13-3 and would have won the playoff game against Pittsburgh if Reeves would have pulled Elway after he injured his groin and put in Kubiak.
sure, although i'm not sure that record was so much evidence of elway's success or not (as his numbers weren't all that great). that season, he reminded me more of jake last year. not a bad guy behind center, but certainly not the sole reason for the team's success like he was later in his career.

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The teams that Elway took to the Super Bowl in the 80's had no business of even being in the playoffs. Sammy Winder at RB and the 3 amigos at WR were not exactly Pro Bowlers. It was Elway and a turnover producing defense that got them to the Super Bowl where they inevitably met a much stronger NFC team.

Eli style is no where similar to Elway. Eli is not good at throwing on the run. He's more mobile than Peyton, but is not a runner. Eli also has a possible future HOF at RB and upper eschelon WR's, but has yet to score his first playoff points. He gives the typical Manning performance in the playoffs.

Elway and his father saw Baltimore for what it was, a horrible franchise. Eli and his father showed they could judge talent if it was right in front of them.
absolutely. like i said, i think the comparison was poor, but most people are speaking as if john was not only great his entire career but like everyone loved him. realistically, that wasn't ever true. i don't personally think eli's a bust, as i think if he had a different last name people would view him differently, but to each their own there.
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where does the myth that Eli has good Recievers come from? Shockey is not utilized enough, but he is a great TE. Other then that, he has nothing. Plaxico is not a #1 reciever. he would be a great #2 but thats it. Toomer is out, but he is a middle of the road #2...

Tiki rarely catches passes. There is absolutely no depth at WR and we dont even have a #3 Wideout. Eli has garbage to throw too since Toomer went out. And even before that, his recieving crew was middle of the road
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Elway had success in his 2nd year. The team went 13-3 and would have won the playoff game against Pittsburgh if Reeves would have pulled Elway after he injured his groin and put in Kubiak.
sure, although i'm not sure that record was so much evidence of elway's success or not (as his numbers weren't all that great). that season, he reminded me more of jake last year. not a bad guy behind center, but certainly not the sole reason for the team's success like he was later in his career.

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The teams that Elway took to the Super Bowl in the 80's had no business of even being in the playoffs. Sammy Winder at RB and the 3 amigos at WR were not exactly Pro Bowlers. It was Elway and a turnover producing defense that got them to the Super Bowl where they inevitably met a much stronger NFC team.

Eli style is no where similar to Elway. Eli is not good at throwing on the run. He's more mobile than Peyton, but is not a runner. Eli also has a possible future HOF at RB and upper eschelon WR's, but has yet to score his first playoff points. He gives the typical Manning performance in the playoffs.

Elway and his father saw Baltimore for what it was, a horrible franchise. Eli and his father showed they could judge talent if it was right in front of them.
absolutely. like i said, i think the comparison was poor, but most people are speaking as if john was not only great his entire career but like everyone loved him. realistically, that wasn't ever true. i don't personally think eli's a bust, as i think if he had a different last name people would view him differently, but to each their own there.
I loved the defensive scheme that mid 80s Broncos defense ran. It was very complex, and a great 3-4/4-3 hybrid. Probably the best hybrid Ive ever seen in terms of Xs and Os.

While Elway had no help on the offensive side of the ball the same can be said of Eli on the defensive side. Eli's defense consisted of 4th string LBs in the playoffs last year, which was the real reason why we lost. We couldn't stop them, and in turn, Eli forced something to happen and got picked off as a result of it on the offensive side of the ball. Even this year, the defense has been our achilles heal, all thanks to Tim Lewis, mediocre safeties, and injuries.

Im one who says theres no way you can make the comparison. Eli has a long way to go before he's Elway, but I also noticed how everyone here thinks that Elway was great his whole career. Elway had a career 55% completion rating. You don't hear anyone here talk about his accuracy issues.

While I agree that the Eli Manning supporters have no business talking right now, I also believe that Eli gets unfair criticism. Its like he's judged on a different measuring stick from everyone else.
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-Eli Manning and John Elway were both the #1 pick in the draft. They were both traded for the 4th player chosen in the draft along with other players and picks.

-Eli Manning and John Elway were both drafted by teams that they never played for, and demanded a trade.

-both Eli and Elway were Hiesman finalists, but didn't receive the award

-Eli and Elway were both drafted first in drafts rich in the Quarterback position (Marino and Jim Kelly, Phil Rivers and Big Ben)

- their stats through 3 seasons are almost identical. Just take a look

Elway

1983 123/259 47.4% 1,663 yards 7 TDs 14 INTs
1984 214/380 56.3% 2,598 yards 18 TDs 15 INTs
1985 327/605 54.0% 3,891 yards 22 TDs 23 INTs

Eli

2004 95/197 48.2% 1043 yards 6 TDs 9 INTs
2005 294/557 52.8 3762 yards 24 TDs 17 INTs
2006 314/530 59.0% 3486 yards 25.3 TDs 20 INTs

I projected Eli's last 4 games of 2006.

- Eli looks a lot like Elway with his fourth quarter heroics.



Peyton Manning may be the next Dan Marino, but Eli is the next John Elway, who has the rings.
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Default Re: Eli Manning is the Next John Elway...

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Originally Posted by 80Giants10
-Eli Manning and John Elway were both the #1 pick in the draft. They were both traded for the 4th player chosen in the draft along with other players and picks.

-Eli Manning and John Elway were both drafted by teams that they never played for, and demanded a trade.

-both Eli and Elway were Hiesman finalists, but didn't receive the award

-Eli and Elway were both drafted first in drafts rich in the Quarterback position (Marino and Jim Kelly, Phil Rivers and Big Ben)

- their stats through 3 seasons are almost identical. Just take a look

Elway

1983 123/259 47.4% 1,663 yards 7 TDs 14 INTs
1984 214/380 56.3% 2,598 yards 18 TDs 15 INTs
1985 327/605 54.0% 3,891 yards 22 TDs 23 INTs

Eli

2004 95/197 48.2% 1043 yards 6 TDs 9 INTs
2005 294/557 52.8 3762 yards 24 TDs 17 INTs
2006 314/530 59.0% 3486 yards 25.3 TDs 20 INTs

I projected Eli's last 4 games of 2006.

- Eli looks a lot like Elway with his fourth quarter heroics.



Peyton Manning may be the next Dan Marino, but Eli is the next John Elway, who has the rings.
God your an idiot.


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where does the myth that Eli has good Recievers come from? Shockey is not utilized enough, but he is a great TE. Other then that, he has nothing. Plaxico is not a #1 reciever. he would be a great #2 but thats it. Toomer is out, but he is a middle of the road #2...

Tiki rarely catches passes. There is absolutely no depth at WR and we dont even have a #3 Wideout. Eli has garbage to throw too since Toomer went out. And even before that, his recieving crew was middle of the road
Love how you throw Eli's teammates under the bus, especially since you are wrong. Shockey get lots of catches, but he is a ball hog who wants more. A tight end is rarely a # 1 receiver anyways.

Burress has had 3 1,000 yard seasons in his career and is much better than average.

Tiki gets about 50 catches per season under Eli. That's better than Shaun Alexander.

The Giants want to limit the number of times Eli throws. The Giants are never going to have a high flying Rams like offense under Eli. That's not Giants football and that is not effective playing outdoors in NY in November and December.
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Originally Posted by 80Giants10
-Eli Manning and John Elway were both the #1 pick in the draft. They were both traded for the 4th player chosen in the draft along with other players and picks.

-Eli Manning and John Elway were both drafted by teams that they never played for, and demanded a trade.

-both Eli and Elway were Hiesman finalists, but didn't receive the award

-Eli and Elway were both drafted first in drafts rich in the Quarterback position (Marino and Jim Kelly, Phil Rivers and Big Ben)

- their stats through 3 seasons are almost identical. Just take a look

Elway

1983 123/259 47.4% 1,663 yards 7 TDs 14 INTs
1984 214/380 56.3% 2,598 yards 18 TDs 15 INTs
1985 327/605 54.0% 3,891 yards 22 TDs 23 INTs

Eli

2004 95/197 48.2% 1043 yards 6 TDs 9 INTs
2005 294/557 52.8 3762 yards 24 TDs 17 INTs
2006 314/530 59.0% 3486 yards 25.3 TDs 20 INTs

I projected Eli's last 4 games of 2006.

- Eli looks a lot like Elway with his fourth quarter heroics.



Peyton Manning may be the next Dan Marino, but Eli is the next John Elway, who has the rings.
God your an idiot.


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