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Old 12-27-2006, 11:52 AM    (permalink
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I was looking at the rookie stats on nfl.com and Vince Young isn't there. :?
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I was looking at the rookie stats on nfl.com and Vince Young isn't there. :?
In the win column he is.
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I was looking at the rookie stats on nfl.com and Vince Young isn't there. :?
In the win column he is.
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A lot of players are missing. Reggie Bush, Colston, and Drew are all gone.
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I was looking at the rookie stats on nfl.com and Vince Young isn't there. :?
You should have looked harder....

Leinart: 2606 total yards, 56.8% completions, 13 TD's, 12 INT's.
Young: 2495 total yards, 52.6% completions, 18 TD's, 11 INTs
MJD: 2013 combined yards, 17 TD's
Gradkowski: 1832 total yards, 54% compltions, 9 TD, 9 INT
Reggie Bush: 1490 total yards, 8 TD
Marques Colston: 1038 yards, 8 TD

Vince Young is right in the mix, statistically speaking....and he's had a MUCH greater impact on his team than any other rookie in the league.
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Marcus Mcneil SHOULD win it.
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You should've put Nick Mangold on that list - he's the best rookie OLineman (arguably of course). But yeah, it's either Young, Drew, or Colston.
One day Marcus McNeill thought he stepped in some gum, but when he looked it was just Nick Mangold.
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i said Drew. Bush shouldn't be up there. if he wins it'll be a joke.
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Old 12-27-2006, 04:04 PM    (permalink
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Vince Young ahead of Marcus McNeil.

I still can't believe Marcus slipped that far in the draft, yet we're gonna see Robert Gallery, I mean Tony Mandarich, I mean Joe Thomas go top 5 in 2007. Might as well draft Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan again.
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Vince Young ahead of Marcus McNeil.

I still can't believe Marcus slipped that far in the draft, yet we're gonna see Robert Gallery, I mean Tony Mandarich, I mean Joe Thomas go top 5 in 2007. Might as well draft Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan again.
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yeah, boy, who would be concerned about his spinal cord and let that affect his draft status. and who the hell is michael jordan if you think joe thomas is sam bowie? terrible analogy.
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Vince Young ahead of Marcus McNeil.

I still can't believe Marcus slipped that far in the draft, yet we're gonna see Robert Gallery, I mean Tony Mandarich, I mean Joe Thomas go top 5 in 2007. Might as well draft Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan again.
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He has major health concerns that made him fall and saying Joe Thomas will be a major bust really makes no sense. He is probably one of the safest picks in this draft. I'd really love to hear your reasoning for him being a bust.
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Vince Young ahead of Marcus McNeil.

I still can't believe Marcus slipped that far in the draft, yet we're gonna see Robert Gallery, I mean Tony Mandarich, I mean Joe Thomas go top 5 in 2007. Might as well draft Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan again.
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yeah, boy, who would be concerned about his spinal cord and let that affect his draft status. and who the hell is michael jordan if you think joe thomas is sam bowie? terrible analogy.
Levi Brown maybe?
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Vince Young w/o a doubt; the only reason Tenn is in playoff contention
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Old 12-27-2006, 04:28 PM    (permalink
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My reasoning is because I remember being a HUGE sceptic of Robert Gallery 3 years ago as an NFL franchise LEFT TACKLE. Joe Thomas is next.

Tony Mandarich, Robert Gallery, and now Thomas. All Big Ten, overhyped, non-nimble, left tackles.

Take a look at the truly great OTs of today, and last year....
Walter Jones, Ogden, Roaf, Pace, Willie Anderson, Tarik Glenn, McNeil, Chris Samuels.... those are your Pro Bowlers... those are the guys who are top 5 worthy picks. You notice any difference between THEM and Thomas and Gallery? Just the facts please.

Where are those of you who said that Gallery would be an immediate All Pro?
Are you guys telling me Joe Thomas will be a Pro Bowler within 2 or 3 seasons? I will go on record and say he will be closer to a bust than a Pro Bowler after two seasons.

It's easy to say someone's gonna be great and then when they fail, they're nowhere to be found. Where are all the Chrles Rogers lovers from 2003? They EXISTED then.
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Non-nimble? Joe Thomas is a great athlete.
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We'll see how great of an athlete he is against NFL DE's and pass rush LBers....... I'm just glad my team, Packers, don't have a top 5 or 10 pick this time. I still ache over the 1989 pick of Mandarich over Barry and Deion, and Derrick Thomas.... NEVER take the blocker ahead of the special skill player. NEVER.
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We'll see how great of an athlete he is against NFL DE's and pass rush LBers....... I'm just glad my team, Packers, don't have a top 5 or 10 pick this time. I still ache over the 1989 pick of Mandarich over Barry and Deion, and Derrick Thomas.... NEVER take the blocker ahead of the special skill player. NEVER.
Stupid comment. The OL is the most important part of football easily. Look at the Cardinals, we have great skill position players, but the OL sucks, so the team sucks.
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My reasoning is because I remember being a HUGE sceptic of Robert Gallery 3 years ago as an NFL franchise LEFT TACKLE. Joe Thomas is next.

Tony Mandarich, Robert Gallery, and now Thomas. All Big Ten, overhyped, non-nimble, left tackles.

Take a look at the truly great OTs of today, and last year....
Walter Jones, Ogden, Roaf, Pace, Willie Anderson, Tarik Glenn, McNeil, Chris Samuels.... those are your Pro Bowlers... those are the guys who are top 5 worthy picks. You notice any difference between THEM and Thomas and Gallery? Just the facts please.

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I guess the lesson to be learned here is that if you're considering drafting a tackle in the top 5, make sure he is black.
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My reasoning is because I remember being a HUGE sceptic of Robert Gallery 3 years ago as an NFL franchise LEFT TACKLE. Joe Thomas is next.

Tony Mandarich, Robert Gallery, and now Thomas. All Big Ten, overhyped, non-nimble, left tackles.

Take a look at the truly great OTs of today, and last year....
Walter Jones, Ogden, Roaf, Pace, Willie Anderson, Tarik Glenn, McNeil, Chris Samuels.... those are your Pro Bowlers... those are the guys who are top 5 worthy picks. You notice any difference between THEM and Thomas and Gallery? Just the facts please.

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I guess the lesson to be learned here is that if you're considering drafting a tackle in the top 5, make sure he is black.
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wow... outlandish statements with no real back-up data... ridiculous claims... god syndrome...

i'm bored. let me know when you're off the "joe thomas sucks and shouldn't play a down in the NFL because i know he sucks" soap box.
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wow... outlandish statements with no real back-up data... ridiculous claims... god syndrome...

i'm bored. let me know when you're off the "joe thomas sucks and shouldn't play a down in the NFL because i know he sucks" soap box.
I think that's the same soapbox the Vince Young bashers were using.... but since nobody was using it anymore, they just scratched out VY's name and wrote in Joe Thomas.
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Everybody knows its only between Young, Drew, and Colston so dont add all the extras
That's true except you're completely wrong. Do you even follow the media? It's either going to be Young or Bush. Devin Hester has a better chance of winning than MJD or Colston, like it or not.
Bush has a chance? I was under the impression that one good game wasnt enough to win OROY
Not if you have a media hype machine the size of a freight train behind you.

Listen to any media broadcast sometime. It's between Young and Bush, with Young far ahead at this point.
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wow... outlandish statements with no real back-up data... ridiculous claims... god syndrome...

i'm bored. let me know when you're off the "joe thomas sucks and shouldn't play a down in the NFL because i know he sucks" soap box.
I think that's the same soapbox the Vince Young bashers were using.... but since nobody was using it anymore, they just scratched out VY's name and wrote in Joe Thomas.
What? People actually had reasoning to say that VY wouldn't do well in the NFL. You can't say he hasn't been a bad pick yet anyways. A lot of players start out great and then nothing.
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