College Basketball Thread - Page 309

Sniper · 03-18-2008, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by adschofield

Oh yeah, like last when Southern Illnois had us on the ropes in the Sweet 16, oh wait....

Or how bout last year during the regular season when Florida came back to beat us, oh wait...

Or how bout in last year's Big 12 championship game, when we were down 19 points to Kevin Durant and co., we didn't come back in that game did we?

Or how bout in this year's Big 12 championship game where D.J. Augustin and A.J. Abrahms where trading shot for shot with us?

There's been plently of times when KU has won tough games over the past few years, but I guess since we lost to Bucknell, we'll never win another NCAA championship

You know I was talking about NCAAs right? Allow me to modify my college basketball posts, just for you!

KANSAS IS DA GRATYST EVARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!! BILL SELF ZEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FINAL FOURS BUT HE IZ DA BESTEST KOACH EVARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

**** man, you're so annoying with your Kansas lovefest. Let the tournament play out instead of blowing them every chance you get. Till Bill Self proves to me he can win a national title with all the talent he assembles, yes, he is a choker.

You think I give a rat's ******* ass about some regular season game against Florida? Yeah I'm sure Florida really gives a **** about losing to KU in the regular season when they went on to win back to back NCs.

Congrats on beating the UT Kevin Durants. Did it get you a national title?

Congrats on beating Southern Illinois. You still gagged away a national title.

Every year, Kansas is forced down our throats as a super duper awesome team. Win something, then we'll talk. All that talent should get you a national title. If conference titles are all you're worried about, you're shooting too low.

d34ng3l021 · 03-18-2008, 04:50 AM

Check out this great ending of this game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeuEMeg8eQE

sweetness34 · 03-18-2008, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by adschofield

So let me get this straight, since a team in 2004 choked to Bucknell, Kansas teams always have the ability to choke?

That doesn't make any sense whatsoever

But whatever, I'll let the haters hate...

And Bradley....And UCLA....He choked at Illinois too against Notre Dame.

Self is a decent coach but here's the thing, in crunch time when he's forced to adjust his game plan against a very good team in the Tournament, he can't. Now this year could be different because that team has some serious talent (Chalmers, Collins, Rush, Jackson, Arthur, Robinson, Kahn, etc). But history is going against Kansas in the Tournament right now.

sweetness34 · 03-18-2008, 09:09 AM

You don't see losing to a freakin' 13 seed as an upset? Are you kidding me? You were a 4 seed, young or not, you had players on that squad who were flat out studs. Wright, Kaun, Chalmers, Rush, Robinson, Hawkins, Jackson...It was a choke job in the first round, period.

Kansas is a very dangerous team though because of the talent they possess and if Self can't get to the Final 4 this year, which I don't think he will, his job has to be re-evaluated by Kansas.

bsaza2358 · 03-18-2008, 09:11 AM

I agree with everything Sweetness just wrote.

princefielder28 · 03-18-2008, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by adschofield

Why? He's a top 5 coach... Oh but since Roy's team didn't buy into Self's system and got upset by Bucknell, I suppose Kansas always will choke, and we shouldn't even accept bids to the NCAA

We lost to Bradley because we had a team made up of entirely freshmen and sophomores, I don't really see that as a huge upset.

Upsets are a part of college basketball, Roy choked more than Self has, yet he still won a National Championship eventually. Every major program has been upset quite a few times, yet I don't see those teams and coaches being called and saying that they always choke.

First thing, Bill Self is a Top 5 RECRUITER not coach. He can bring in the talent, but when it comes down to crunch time he just can't get the job done. Roy Williams, Coach K, Ben Howland, Billy Donavan, John Thompson III, Rick Pitino, and even Jamie Dixon are better COACHES. There are borderline coaches like Bo Ryan, Trent Johnson, Tom Izzo, and Tony Bennett could be considered better coaches as well.

And a 13 over a 4 is always an upset. If you don't believe it is then you should probably re-evaluate your knowledge of college hoops and sports in general

wiscbadgerfootball · 03-18-2008, 11:36 AM

Bo Ryan is way better of a coach in my opinion.. the way he uses his players, who are not near the caliber of Kansas', is amazing.

adschofield · 03-18-2008, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SNIPER26

You know I was talking about NCAAs right? Allow me to modify my college basketball posts, just for you!

KANSAS IS DA GRATYST EVARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!! BILL SELF ZEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FINAL FOURS BUT HE IZ DA BESTEST KOACH EVARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

**** man, you're so annoying with your Kansas lovefest. Let the tournament play out instead of blowing them every chance you get. Till Bill Self proves to me he can win a national title with all the talent he assembles, yes, he is a choker.

You think I give a rat's ******* ass about some regular season game against Florida? Yeah I'm sure Florida really gives a **** about losing to KU in the regular season when they went on to win back to back NCs.

Congrats on beating the UT Kevin Durants. Did it get you a national title?

Congrats on beating Southern Illinois. You still gagged away a national title.

Every year, Kansas is forced down our throats as a super duper awesome team. Win something, then we'll talk. All that talent should get you a national title. If conference titles are all you're worried about, you're shooting too low.

Did I ever mention that I loved Kansas? No.

I simply presented counter examples to your statement that Kansas always chokes

bsaza2358 · 03-18-2008, 12:48 PM

This Kansas team has a history of flaming out early. You can't deny that at all.

adschofield · 03-18-2008, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by wiscbadgerfootball

Bo Ryan is way better of a coach in my opinion.. the way he uses his players, who are not near the caliber of Kansas', is amazing.

He coaches in a glorified mid-major conference, jk

But seriously, he had a two-seed last year, and almost lost to a #15 seed and then got beat by UNLV. If you guys want to talk about choking...

adschofield · 03-18-2008, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bsaza2358

This Kansas team has a history of flaming out early. You can't deny that at all.

Ok, we lost to Bradley when we had all underclassmen, and then lost to UCLA in the Elite 8.

I don't really consider losing in the Elite 8 to be "flaming out early"

bsaza2358 · 03-18-2008, 12:52 PM

How embarrassing... haha

bsaza2358 · 03-18-2008, 12:52 PM

Your coach needs to make the Elite 8 to keep himself off the hot seat next season. I love Kansas. Not yelling, just saying.

adschofield · 03-18-2008, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by sweetness34

You don't see losing to a freakin' 13 seed as an upset? Are you kidding me? You were a 4 seed, young or not, you had players on that squad who were flat out studs. Wright, Kaun, Chalmers, Rush, Robinson, Hawkins, Jackson...It was a choke job in the first round, period.

Kansas is a very dangerous team though because of the talent they possess and if Self can't get to the Final 4 this year, which I don't think he will, his job has to be re-evaluated by Kansas.

Hawkins? LOL.

Kaun was truely anemic his first 3 years at Kansas

Wright really didn't contribute much his first year at Kansas

Jackson contributed nothing his first three years at Kansas

Rush was forced to carry that team and that's why we lost in the first round.

Let me rephrase this, I do consider it an upset, but I don't consider as a big of an upset as people are hyping it up to be.

So wait, simply because Kansas has choked before, we'll choke again? That makes no sense.

When Joakim Noah, Al Horford, and Corey Brewer were freshmen, Florida got upset in the first round by Manhattan...I guess that meant that they would continue to choke, and not win 2 straight National Championships right?

adschofield · 03-18-2008, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by bsaza2358

Your coach needs to make the Elite 8 to keep himself off the hot seat next season. I love Kansas. Not yelling, just saying.

I agree...Self needs to prove himself...all I'm saying is that it is illogical to say that since Kansas has choked before, they will choke this year

Boston · 03-18-2008, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by adschofield

Hawkins? LOL.

Kaun was truely anemic his first 3 years at Kansas

Wright really didn't contribute much his first year at Kansas

Jackson contributed nothing his first three years at Kansas

Rush was forced to carry that team and that's why we lost in the first round.

Let me rephrase this, I do consider it an upset, but I don't consider as a big of an upset as people are hyping it up to be.

So wait, simply because Kansas has choked before, we'll choke again? That makes no sense.

When Joakim Noah, Al Horford, and Corey Brewer were freshmen, Florida got upset in the first round by Manhattan...I guess that meant that they would continue to choke, and not win 2 straight National Championships right?

I guess I see where you're coming from now... I don't think any coach could win with what little talent you just outlined. Bill Self = GOD.

adschofield · 03-18-2008, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Boston

I guess I see where you're coming from now... I don't think any coach could win with what little talent you just outlined. Bill Self = GOD.

No, we had plently of talent, just not a lot of production

You guys are missing my point entirely....

sweetness34 · 03-18-2008, 02:27 PM

Two straight seasons you got knocked out of the first round, TWO STRAIGHT SEASONS against much lesser competition. You choked against an average UCLA team as well. Kansas has a past history of underachieving with Self. That's why we're saying they are not a good bet to choose in the Tournament and why it is a good bet they'll be upset.

sweetness34 · 03-18-2008, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by adschofield

Ok, we lost to Bradley when we had all underclassmen, and then lost to UCLA in the Elite 8.

I don't really consider losing in the Elite 8 to be "flaming out early"

And Bucknell in the First Round 3 years ago. Self did get to the Elite 8 in his first season there though, when they again had some serious talent.

sweetness34 · 03-18-2008, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by adschofield

He coaches in a glorified mid-major conference, jk

But seriously, he had a two-seed last year, and almost lost to a #15 seed and then got beat by UNLV. If you guys want to talk about choking...

And what do you call the Big 12? Outside of Texas and Kansas, yuck.

adschofield · 03-18-2008, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sweetness34

Two straight seasons you got knocked out of the first round, TWO STRAIGHT SEASONS against much lesser competition. You choked against an average UCLA team as well. Kansas has a past history of underachieving with Self. That's why we're saying they are not a good bet to choose in the Tournament and why it is a good bet they'll be upset.

An average UCLA team? Right....

Aaron Affalo, Darren Collison, and Josh Shipp are much more than just average

Turtlepower · 03-18-2008, 06:55 PM

So... Anyone else think that ASU got shafted? A little late, but since we are playing in the NIT tonight (lame) I wanted to know what you guys thought.

Seriously, the SEC sucks and let Georgia win. =(

princefielder28 · 03-18-2008, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Turtlepower

So... Anyone else think that ASU got shafted? A little late, but since we are playing in the NIT tonight (lame) I wanted to know what you guys thought.

Seriously, the SEC sucks and let Georgia win. =(

I don't feel sorry for any team that didn't get in and was on the bubble. There is a simple solution to that, WIN! Win more of the cupcake non-conference games and one or two more conference games and you don't have to worry.

Borderline losses : Illinois, Nebraska, Washington, California

If ASU would've won one of those four games then they probably would have made it...Plus Xavier was the only ranked non-conference opponent so those games against BCS conference schools mean that much more...By the way LSU was the only BCS non-conference school that they beat...WEAK!

PalmerToCJ · 03-18-2008, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BrownsTown

Memphis is going all the way...hate all you want, they just don't lose. Lost only 1 game to a then #2 team. Rose, Douglas-Roberts, and Dorsey plus some really good role players. Watch out.

I'd be really surprised if they made the final four.

If they did they'd run into teams that can take care of business. They had a solid schedule this year but they'll hit a good half court team at some point and it'll be game over.

PalmerToCJ · 03-18-2008, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Turtlepower

Seriously, the SEC sucks and let Georgia win. =(

EVERY YEAR people say the SEC is down and every year we put more in the sweet 16 than anyone else.

You should be complaining about Oregon and Arizona getting in, the Pac-10 is good but as a whole for Arizona/Oregon to get those seeds they overrated them.