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Old 06-02-2007, 12:33 PM    (permalink
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wow, i just lost even more respect for Dr. Z, he is an idiot
Yeah. He said the Bears last year would be one of the worst teams in the NFL.
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Old 06-02-2007, 12:52 PM    (permalink
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Gonzo and Sharpe are locks, no questions asked.
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Gonzo and Sharpe are locks, no questions asked.
absolutely... and that guy is a moron for doubting.
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Old 06-02-2007, 01:24 PM    (permalink
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Christensen did put up bigger seasons while he was playing, but he only had a 4 year span of real dominance, while Gonzalez has been consistently excellent for 8 years now.

Longevity has to play a factor in the HOF voting.
you can go ahead and compare this to something like Terrell Davis v Curtis Martin and theres a reason why Davis isnt getting in and we can rest assured Martin will be getting in.
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Old 06-02-2007, 05:19 PM    (permalink
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No matter what your stance on the issue, the argument here obviously has to go beyond pure statistics.
I agree but Gonzo is more then just stats he is a very underrated blocker and a team leader and class act off the field. There is no one on the team that works harder then Gonzo in the off season he is still trying to get better each and every year the guy has HOF'er all over him. When the Chiefs lose a game no one is more up set then Gonzo he takes it so hard and always feels he should have done more even when there is no way he is what cost us the game. I'm not knocking TC at all great player but to hold TG down for TC not being in is a load of crap it has nothing to do with him.
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Top 5 TE's
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2a.Tony Gonzalez
2b.Shannon Sharpe
3. Mike Ditka


5.Todd Christensen
DAVE CASPER.
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Old 06-02-2007, 11:07 PM    (permalink
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There's a serious lack of BBD in this thread, but NIP is doing a good job.
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Old 06-02-2007, 11:36 PM    (permalink
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Curtis Martin really does have ridiculous statistics though.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1132

Only under 1000 yards once in his career.
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Curtis Martin: The most underrated 14,000-yard rusher in history.
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Old 06-02-2007, 11:57 PM    (permalink
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Why would anyone even read Dr. Z? It only makes you dumber.
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Old 06-03-2007, 03:31 PM    (permalink
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While we are on that subject as much as I hate Denver I have to say they have been crapped on when it comes to HOF players getting in I believe Elway is the only one?
They need to get Randy Gradishar into the HOF already.
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Dr. Z should just have his articles in SI for Kids
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Old 06-03-2007, 08:47 PM    (permalink
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Dr. Z should just have his articles in SI for Kids
What a bad idea. Do you want kids to grow up having horrible ideas/opinions of football?
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Some good arguements in here. Gonzo should be a lock for the hall though. He has been a major part of the evolution of the position. Teams are now looking for receiving options at TE, you cant just be a blocker anymore. Gonzo and Sharpe are the main reason for that.
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What a bad idea. Do you want kids to grow up having horrible ideas/opinions of football?
They don't? Have you met a bandwagon Cowboys fan?
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Some good arguements in here. Gonzo should be a lock for the hall though. He has been a major part of the evolution of the position. Teams are now looking for receiving options at TE, you cant just be a blocker anymore. Gonzo and Sharpe are the main reason for that.
Inversely we've seen a proliferation of versatile safeties, whose value has really risen in the past few years. It used to be that first round safeties were a rarity. That isn't the case now, as teams scramble to find players who can match up with the WR/TE hybrids that are common in the modern NFL.
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