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Old 06-03-2007, 12:23 PM    (permalink
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31 teams manage to win without Peppers.
exactly..a lot of teams dont have a dominant player like Peppers.

Patriots have won without Harrison..without Bruschi..without Corey Dillon..without Branch..without Seymour for a few games. Without Ty Law

injuries..other issues happen. Your team is as good as your backups. You cant depend on your starters all year round now a days..so having good depth is important and u dont need the best players to win.
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I think Spencer actually had a very inconsistent year last year and really didn't step up the way I thought he would.
Spencer was just okay... He didn't give up the big play that I saw too often, but he also didn't make a lot of big plays. It will be interesting to see how he fares in his training camp battle with Harris.
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exactly..a lot of teams dont have a dominant player like Peppers.

Patriots have won without Harrison..without Bruschi..without Corey Dillon..without Branch..without Seymour for a few games. Without Ty Law

injuries..other issues happen. Your team is as good as your backups. You cant depend on your starters all year round now a days..so having good depth is important and u dont need the best players to win.
I'm glad we run exactly the same scheme and require exactly the same from exactly all of our players so you could point that out.
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I'm glad we run exactly the same scheme and require exactly the same from exactly all of our players so you could point that out.
The point is if you are waiting for a season where none of your starters get injured, you are going to be waiting for a very long time.
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The main reason the Packers went 8-8 last year was because of special teams play, namely kicking. Besides STs play, the safties pretty much the only other thing that held them back from super bowl glory. They are VERY solid( if not the best in the NFL) at every other position on the field with KGB, Manuel, and Poppinga being the anchors to the only other problems holding them back from super bowl city. Why are they so good? Because they play for the Packers, that's why. I'm honestly getting tired of this pro bowl NFC vs. AFC crap, It's about time to turn it into AFC vs. the Packers. How could anyone else who plays for another team in the NFL be good without being a PACKER. Thank god they got Mason Crosby , the Pack will easily go 16-0 now.

CB? 1st easily. LOL at the fact Harris and Woodson are not at the top of that list. Idiots. I mean, they play for the Pack.
D-line? Best. Kampman pretty much is the best player in the NFL.
O-line? Best. Why? because they wear Green and Gold.
Backs? We drafted a new RB, we're dank.
WR? Probowl Donald Driver, best. Plus we drafted a couple New WR that will be good because they play for the PACKERS! duh.
TE. Bubba franks used to be good. He'll be probowl next year. Antonio who?
LB? Nick Barnett >>>>> Urlacher ,because he plays for the Packers. If he didn't break his hand last year he's better by a large margin.
Hawk? best ever, he plays for the PACKERS.
QB- Brett Favre once threw for 40 TD's . He'll throw for 79 this year.
AS you can see . It's only the safties and special teams holding this grand team back. If Underwood wouldn't have gotten injured we'd be golden.
Damn we're good.
Now, Back in 1997 the Packers were picked as super bowl favorites so this means we'll be favorites in the weak NFC now. right? I mean, there is no possible way MY team could regress. We're too good at every position, just a couple of special teams players and were bowl bound.
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Holy crap! Someone ranked us first in something. Been a long time for us Niner fans. It's fun not being a doormat anymore.
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I'm glad we run exactly the same scheme and require exactly the same from exactly all of our players so you could point that out.
Actually, the schemes are very similar. The only major difference is the front. Fox uses the 4-3, and Bellichick the BP 3-4. So inheritly, the way the run is stopped is different in comparison.

But the methods of pressure and coverage and the style of defense is very very close. Fox uses alot of similar schemery. Just out of a 4-3 front.
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Looks about right. I like the Vikes at 7. Winfield is one of the very best in the league but Griffin has to prove he can do it for an entire season. Edwards/McCauley is great depth, McCauley should replace Winfield in a couple of years if all goes well and he plays up to his ability. Which is always a big if with the Vikes.
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Actually, the schemes are very similar. The only major difference is the front. Fox uses the 4-3, and Bellichick the BP 3-4. So inheritly, the way the run is stopped is different in comparison.

But the methods of pressure and coverage and the style of defense is very very close. Fox uses alot of similar schemery. Just out of a 4-3 front.
Except the linebackers run different coverage schemes even when they're in nickel formations.
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Holy crap! Someone ranked us first in something. Been a long time for us Niner fans. It's fun not being a doormat anymore.
Haha yea...I was a little shocked. I personally like Denver better but 49ers deserve top 3.
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Niners' corps haven't even played a down together. They shouldn't be first until we get to see them in action.
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Except the linebackers run different coverage schemes even when they're in nickel formations.
Can you explain in more detail? Im curious to know more about it. I have seen a decent amount of Carolina games, but not nearly as much as you I would assume.


One thing I noticed that Fox does alot more than most is the CB blitz. Fox is not affraid to come with a CB blitz. Bellichick doesn't do that much. He'll use safety blitzes, but rarely CB blitzes.


For a 4-3 guy, Fox uses alot of ZB relative to other 4-3 guys. I love his scheme. He's my favorite 4-3 coordinator. Primarily because he runs a scheme similar to the BP 3-4, which is my favorite scheme.
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hmmm, i would've put carolina at 1st for the nfc, the only team that could be over carolina is the bears IMO

carolina has the best combination of starters/nickle
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Can you explain in more detail? Im curious to know more about it. I have seen a decent amount of Carolina games, but not nearly as much as you I would assume.
A lot of Carolina's defense relies on having a roaming linebacker to make plays. Think Georgia's defense where they used Thomas Davis when he was there (although he was a safety). To be free to run around and hit. Most of the time that's Morgan in our defense which is why when he's on the field he's so good, he can do what he likes.

BB does the same thing, but he varies who's the free running linebacker, a lot of times its either Brushci or Vrabel, but its pretty much even amongst the corp.

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One thing I noticed that Fox does alot more than most is the CB blitz. Fox is not affraid to come with a CB blitz. Bellichick doesn't do that much. He'll use safety blitzes, but rarely CB blitzes.
Yeah, he likes to blitz the nickel. What he'll do is put someone like Thomas Davis at nickel back, by coming out in a 43 base, he'll slide Davis over to the CB and drop the safety down a little way, and then bring Davis off the edge. He like to use Richard Marshall as a blitzer last year too because he was so aggressive.

I really liked the run blitzes he does with the corners.

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For a 4-3 guy, Fox uses alot of ZB relative to other 4-3 guys. I love his scheme. He's my favorite 4-3 coordinator. Primarily because he runs a scheme similar to the BP 3-4, which is my favorite scheme.
I love zone blitzes, I just wish madden knew how to actually make a realistic zone blitz so I could use them in game lol.

What I'm trying to say is that yes, I make some excused but in the NFCCG, its hard to win games when two of the players your defense is designed to free up are injured its hard to make adjustments against a great team. Especially one as strong as seattle was that year. i think people forget how close they came to winning that SB, they really were in it up until a few bad plays.
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I just read an article that said some players on Carolina felt that Ken Lucas was faking injuries last season and that he quit on the team. Lucas obviously denied that he faked injuries or quit on the team.
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One thing that kills me in regard to the ever present CB debate: last year at this time, Philly fans were completely bagging on Lito saying that he was vastly overrated, that he was no more than an average corner at best who takes too many gambles and constantly gets burned, while Sheldon was the true shutdown guy who never got the credit and was vastly over-looked.

NOW, since Sheldon struggled in 06 with some breakdowns, and Lito had a big year with a couple pick-6es, all of a sudden Lito is one of the top cbs in the game again and Sheldon is back in his place as a "solid" support type. Lito Sheppard is a good player, but he isn't anywhere near Pro Bowl caliber, and I have never watched an Eagle game (and I watch just about every game of theirs during the season) in which I thought, "wow, Lito is really shutting his guy down".

But its amazing to me how people have flip flopped on this issue so much.
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One thing that kills me in regard to the ever present CB debate: last year at this time, Philly fans were completely bagging on Lito saying that he was vastly overrated, that he was no more than an average corner at best who takes too many gambles and constantly gets burned, while Sheldon was the true shutdown guy who never got the credit and was vastly over-looked.

NOW, since Sheldon struggled in 06 with some breakdowns, and Lito had a big year with a couple pick-6es, all of a sudden Lito is one of the top cbs in the game again and Sheldon is back in his place as a "solid" support type. Lito Sheppard is a good player, but he isn't anywhere near Pro Bowl caliber, and I have never watched an Eagle game (and I watch just about every game of theirs during the season) in which I thought, "wow, Lito is really shutting his guy down".

But its amazing to me how people have flip flopped on this issue so much.
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I just read an article that said some players on Carolina felt that Ken Lucas was faking injuries last season and that he quit on the team. Lucas obviously denied that he faked injuries or quit on the team.
Yeah, that was Keyshawn, or so I've heard, apparently he had something to say about Steve Smith sitting out two games early on with hamstring injuries.

Part of the reason he was booted. Lucas has tremendous heart and when some players on the team come out lackadaisical he's always playing at 100% speed and giving it his all.
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Yeah, that was Keyshawn, or so I've heard, apparently he had something to say about Steve Smith sitting out two games early on with hamstring injuries.

Part of the reason he was booted. Lucas has tremendous heart and when some players on the team come out lackadaisical he's always playing at 100% speed and giving it his all.
The article cited that more than one player said so. Also, it sounded like the coaches were pretty disappointed in him which is why Marshall took over.
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Marshall took over on the first down and sometimes second depending on down and distance because he's a great tackler and loves to hit people in the mouth. As the article points out Lucas had an injured Shoulder and Neck, you can't hit a running back hurting like that, that's why Marshall was put in instead.

Gamble locked down his spot because his injuries were lower body, so he could still hit fairly well.

Lucas is locked in as our starting cornerback, he was hurt and that's all there is to it.
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Ya I find it hard to believe he quit on the team when you could see how disappointed he was just to not be out there. The guy at one point had atleast 5 different injuries he just couldn't go out there and be fully effective on every snap.
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Oh, I'm sorry, I thought this was the "Top NFC Corners" thread, but I must have accidentally stumbled into the "Make Up Excuses For My Players Ineptitude" thread. My bad.
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Old 06-06-2007, 11:48 AM    (permalink
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That is the worst word EVER. EVER!
um......where have you been, dude? You don't actually think that I made that up, do you?
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um......where have you been, dude? You don't actually think that I made that up, do you?
watcha mean by 'where have you been'? and I'm hoping you didn't make it up.
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Bears should be around that 3-5 range. The Packers and Bucs are both too high, IMO. And the niners at no. 1 is laughable... Basically, it seems like I am repeating what my man 51 said.
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