Draft Countdown Forums

Go Back   Draft Countdown Forums > Draft Countdown Forums > Pro Football

Pro Football Discuss professional football.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 06-03-2007, 03:49 PM    (permalink
The Unseen
Team Leader
Icon
 
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: :3
Posts: 17,548
Reputation: 466188
The Unseen is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.The Unseen is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.The Unseen is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.The Unseen is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.The Unseen is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.The Unseen is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.The Unseen is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.The Unseen is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.The Unseen is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.The Unseen is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.The Unseen is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

I didn't notice this was Sportsline and therefore Pete Prisco, so now I understand his Spicer being overrated comment. Since he lives in Jacksonville, used to cover them, and has a radio show mostly about them, his perception of the Jaguars is more "fine-tuned," per se. Or homerism. I think homerism goes both ways: not only can you overrate players or whine about them being called underrated, you can underrate them or bash them more than necessary.
__________________

by BoneKrusher
Quote:
<DG> how metal unseen
Quote:
<TheUnseen> Drunken Canadian Bastard: There's an APS for that
The Unseen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2007, 03:56 PM    (permalink
stephenson86
All-Pro
 
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Manchester, UK
Posts: 7,858
Reputation: 246025
stephenson86 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.stephenson86 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.stephenson86 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.stephenson86 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.stephenson86 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.stephenson86 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.stephenson86 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.stephenson86 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.stephenson86 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.stephenson86 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.stephenson86 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

seymour, gets double teamed, people dont like going near him he is probably the best 3 - 4 DE
stephenson86 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2007, 04:02 PM    (permalink
Sharp21
 
Posts: n/a
Reputation:
Default

It seems a lot of the "overrated" players are not considered as great as they once were. Who honestly still considers Ty Law and Sam Madison to be lock down corners at their current ages?
They nailed Newman and Asomugha as underrated though.
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2007, 04:05 PM    (permalink
Woody56
Veteran
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,033
Reputation: 5386
Woody56 is so wise,  like a miniature Buddha covered with hairWoody56 is so wise,  like a miniature Buddha covered with hairWoody56 is so wise,  like a miniature Buddha covered with hairWoody56 is so wise,  like a miniature Buddha covered with hairWoody56 is so wise,  like a miniature Buddha covered with hairWoody56 is so wise,  like a miniature Buddha covered with hairWoody56 is so wise,  like a miniature Buddha covered with hairWoody56 is so wise,  like a miniature Buddha covered with hairWoody56 is so wise,  like a miniature Buddha covered with hairWoody56 is so wise,  like a miniature Buddha covered with hairWoody56 is so wise,  like a miniature Buddha covered with hair
Default

I dont see how Pennington is overrated, most don't think of him as a top 15 QB and every year he plays most of games the Jets are in the playoffs. An overrated Jet is Pete Kendall, they guy showed his age bad last year and couldn't run block for nothing.
Woody56 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2007, 04:07 PM    (permalink
yourfavestoner
#1 Vickscuser
All-NFLDC
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: LakerLand
Posts: 13,130
Reputation: 628697
yourfavestoner is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.yourfavestoner is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.yourfavestoner is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.yourfavestoner is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.yourfavestoner is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.yourfavestoner is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.yourfavestoner is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.yourfavestoner is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.yourfavestoner is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.yourfavestoner is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.yourfavestoner is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharp21 View Post
It seems a lot of the "overrated" players are not considered as great as they once were. Who honestly still considers Ty Law and Sam Madison to be lock down corners at their current ages?
They nailed Newman and Asomugha as underrated though.
You'd be surprised.
yourfavestoner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2007, 04:21 PM    (permalink
Mr. Stiller
All-Pro
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,764
Reputation: 9588
Mr. Stiller is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Mr. Stiller is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Mr. Stiller is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Mr. Stiller is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Mr. Stiller is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Mr. Stiller is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Mr. Stiller is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Mr. Stiller is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Mr. Stiller is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Mr. Stiller is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Mr. Stiller is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by remix 6 View Post
its fine..hes underrated but comparing him to the best 3-4 DE and possibly top 3 DE in general?

yes his stats were better last year but what about all the other years? Seymour is a multi time pro bowler..Keisel is not. Underrated ? yes. Same class as Seymour? No
Keisel only has had 1 season starting. He's played the RDE, and he did damn well. I was merely stating, he's underrated. He's putting up similar #'s to Seymour and no one really knows him, I don't think I said Keisel is Better than Seymour, I merely stated he had better stats in his 1 season starting. I don't expect him to be Seymour level, considering Seymour was a 1st rounder and Keisel a 7th. Just stating that I think he's damn good and I agree he's underrated, though he shouldn't be.
__________________

Yeah, I play WoW too.[/center]
Mr. Stiller is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2007, 04:41 PM    (permalink
doingthisinsteadofwork
All-Pro
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Near the Bay
Posts: 5,942
Reputation: 2559
doingthisinsteadofwork could make a wolverine purr.doingthisinsteadofwork could make a wolverine purr.doingthisinsteadofwork could make a wolverine purr.doingthisinsteadofwork could make a wolverine purr.doingthisinsteadofwork could make a wolverine purr.doingthisinsteadofwork could make a wolverine purr.doingthisinsteadofwork could make a wolverine purr.doingthisinsteadofwork could make a wolverine purr.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by remix 6 View Post
Sapp had 47 tackles, 10 sacks

Kevin Williams had 36 tackles 5 sacks.

both are DTs..whos better off stats? Sapp

whos better off actual play? Williams..hes 1 of the best DTs in the league
not really Sapp is still one of the best.Not to mention Sapp played with Tommy Kelly another UT next to him for the most part.A scheme he doesnt fit in and was still able to very well both in pass and run defense.
__________________
"The liberator who destroys my property, is fighting to save my spirit. The teacher who clears all possessions from my path will set me free."-Tyler Durden
doingthisinsteadofwork is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2007, 05:15 PM    (permalink
BlindSite
All-Pro
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Australia
Posts: 6,728
Reputation: 56147
BlindSite is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.BlindSite is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.BlindSite is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.BlindSite is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.BlindSite is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.BlindSite is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.BlindSite is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.BlindSite is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.BlindSite is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.BlindSite is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.BlindSite is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Pete Prisco, is useless but he's got a point.
__________________

BlindSite is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2007, 10:10 PM    (permalink
EdReedUnstoppable
Hall of Famer
Icon
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Baltimore,MD The Charm City
Posts: 16,052
Reputation: 30845
EdReedUnstoppable is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.EdReedUnstoppable is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.EdReedUnstoppable is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.EdReedUnstoppable is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.EdReedUnstoppable is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.EdReedUnstoppable is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.EdReedUnstoppable is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.EdReedUnstoppable is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.EdReedUnstoppable is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.EdReedUnstoppable is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.EdReedUnstoppable is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Pretty much dead on for the Ravens, you could maybe argue who is the msot underrated Raven but no doubt that the most overrated Raven/NFL Player is Willis McGahee.
__________________
HALL OF FAMER!
PUT ART MODELL IN THE HALL OF FAME!
JUSTIN BLACKMON IS A GOLDEN GOD!

Xbox Live - Kevown8999
EdReedUnstoppable is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2007, 10:16 PM    (permalink
JK17
Pro Bowler
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Jersey
Posts: 2,417
Reputation: 1574
JK17 could make a wolverine purr.JK17 could make a wolverine purr.JK17 could make a wolverine purr.JK17 could make a wolverine purr.JK17 could make a wolverine purr.JK17 could make a wolverine purr.
Default

Chargers analysis looks pretty good....
Olshansky is one of the better 3-4 DE's around, you could make an argument for Jammer as underrated, but I would say its more underappreciated then underrated.

As far as overrated I guess Rivers fits the bill the way he describes. I don't think he's overrated, but if people call him a top five QB. this early, then I would say he's overrated. A better example I think, honestly, would be Shane Olivea. He's the weakest part of the O-Line, and gets beat a lot, but still gets a lot of the credit that the rest of the O-Line gets.
JK17 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2007, 10:30 PM    (permalink
GB12
Team Leader
Icon
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 16,141
Reputation: 220179
GB12 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GB12 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GB12 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GB12 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GB12 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GB12 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GB12 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GB12 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GB12 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GB12 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GB12 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

For Houston it should be Schaub over Green. Schaub has started 2 games in his career and everyone thinks he will be a good QB. Green has rushed for over 1,000 yards 6 of the last 7 seasons with the one he didn't he was injured and played only 5 games. He also had a season that he put up 1,800+ yards and 15 TDs. He's not what he once was, but I wouldn't call him overated.
__________________
GB12 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2007, 11:02 PM    (permalink
SenorGato
Pro Bowler
 
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 3,053
Reputation: 81488
SenorGato is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.SenorGato is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.SenorGato is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.SenorGato is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.SenorGato is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.SenorGato is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.SenorGato is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.SenorGato is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.SenorGato is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.SenorGato is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.SenorGato is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 255979119 View Post
Stats do not make you a better player.
Sorry, but they have alot to do with great players.

Quote:
Sapp had 47 tackles, 10 sacks

Kevin Williams had 36 tackles 5 sacks.

both are DTs..whos better off stats? Sapp

whos better off actual play? Williams..hes 1 of the best DTs in the league
Dude....Sapp is a potential HOFer...BAD example.
SenorGato is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2007, 11:54 PM    (permalink
papa burgundy
Rookie
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 182
Reputation: 1366
papa burgundy is a cocksman.papa burgundy is a cocksman.papa burgundy is a cocksman.papa burgundy is a cocksman.papa burgundy is a cocksman.
Default

I don't know how anyone can take Pete Prisco seriously.. this is the same guy who last year said IAN SCOTT was the most underrated player in the entire league.. even went as far to say he was as good as Tommie Harris. The year before he said it was JAMES FRIGGIN HALL. This year he semi-redeemed himself by picking someone who is underrated.. but even then Warren got a fair amount of pub for a breakout season last year.


Just for laughs here are his 05 and 06 underrated/overrated lists just so everyone can see how god awful they are.

05 - http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8622837

06 - http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9542704
papa burgundy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2007, 12:02 AM    (permalink
XxXdragonXxX
Pro Bowler
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 4,102
Reputation: 436488
XxXdragonXxX is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.XxXdragonXxX is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.XxXdragonXxX is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.XxXdragonXxX is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.XxXdragonXxX is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.XxXdragonXxX is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.XxXdragonXxX is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.XxXdragonXxX is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.XxXdragonXxX is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.XxXdragonXxX is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.XxXdragonXxX is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

D.J. Hackett is so underrated that Pete Prisco described him as a "good special teams player" in his recent article about the 2004 draft....Hackett doesn't play special teams.
__________________
XxXdragonXxX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2007, 12:13 AM    (permalink
DorianSmith
Rookie
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Hell
Posts: 302
Reputation: -16
DorianSmith needs more cowbell.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by stephenson86 View Post
vince young, dont think hes overrated
ya hes Underrated if anything Vince YOUNG IS A BEast
DorianSmith is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2007, 12:31 AM    (permalink
portermvp84
Pro Bowler
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Bulimia twice the taste less calories
Posts: 3,467
Reputation: 49
portermvp84 hopes to escalate quickly but not get out of hand.
Default

I could agree Dallas Clark is very underrated.
__________________


Thanks to jackalope
portermvp84 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2007, 01:29 AM    (permalink
Addict
All-NFLDC
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Yurop
Posts: 11,038
Reputation: 230303
Addict is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Addict is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Addict is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Addict is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Addict is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Addict is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Addict is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Addict is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Addict is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Addict is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Addict is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by d34ng3l021 View Post
Michael Vick - Overrated. How original.
And how painfully true.

Quote:
Originally Posted by stephenson86 View Post
vince young, dont think hes overrated
Ehm... he went to a pro bowl he had no business being at, and if you'd see some of the stuff people write and say about him you'd think they're talking about a shoe-in first-ballot hall of fame type guy, not a rookie who's most probably going into a sophomore slump (and before you ask 'why?' look at the Titans depth chart at WR and RB)
__________________

Sig by Fenikz

I remember NFLDC
don't tell anyone, but Charlie Casserly is a dope fiend
Addict is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2007, 03:41 AM    (permalink
wogitalia
Pro Bowler
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Perth, Australia
Posts: 3,774
Reputation: 408368
wogitalia is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.wogitalia is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.wogitalia is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.wogitalia is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.wogitalia is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.wogitalia is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.wogitalia is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.wogitalia is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.wogitalia is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.wogitalia is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.wogitalia is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

I personally would have gone with Winfield as the underrated guy for the Vikings. He has actually gotten a lot of dues this offseason but is still very much owed more. He is a great cornerback. Sharper is without a doubt the overrated guy we have now. He just cant play in a cover 2 and looked lost and old last year. I hope he can turn it around, but he looked like a slow rookie last year, I think he is done.
__________________


Props to BK on the sig!
wogitalia is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2007, 08:52 AM    (permalink
High Roller
Rookie
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 471
Reputation: 25
High Roller hopes to escalate quickly but not get out of hand.
Default

I agree with the niners. But DJax will bring leadership and is a vet so that will put him over Bryant.
__________________

Faithful Niner Fan
High Roller is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2007, 09:01 AM    (permalink
ricky bobby
Pro Bowler
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Oh please give me a good reputation. I'm so concerned with what you think about me!
Posts: 2,731
Reputation: 215
ricky bobby hopes to escalate quickly but not get out of hand.
Default

100% agree with the NYG ones.
ricky bobby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2007, 09:16 AM    (permalink
Jughead10
The Juggernaut
Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Baltimore
Posts: 23,072
Reputation: 487699
Jughead10 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Jughead10 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Jughead10 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Jughead10 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Jughead10 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Jughead10 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Jughead10 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Jughead10 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Jughead10 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Jughead10 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Jughead10 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ricky bobby View Post
100% agree with the NYG ones.
I don't really agree so much. I really wouldn't call Fred Robbins underrated. He is kind of just there. Extremely average, doesn't shine but doesn't play awful. He is what he is.

Madison, eh. The little blurp says this guy used to be a good man corner. We'll see. We rarely ever played man last year because of Tim Lewis so it is hard to say that about him. And when we actually did play man Madison actually played his best football. With a ton more man coming this year we will see how that goes.
__________________
Jughead10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2007, 09:24 AM    (permalink
Splat
Legend
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.
Posts: 20,239
Reputation: 1961589
Splat is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Splat is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Splat is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Splat is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Splat is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Splat is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Splat is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Splat is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Splat is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Splat is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Splat is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

I don't think Jared Allen is underrated any more people know he can play now.
__________________
Splat is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2007, 09:35 AM    (permalink
Gribble
Pro Bowler
 
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: How 'bout them Cowboys?
Posts: 3,633
Reputation: 61915
Gribble is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Gribble is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Gribble is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Gribble is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Gribble is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Gribble is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Gribble is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Gribble is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Gribble is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Gribble is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Gribble is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Tony Romo was a starter for half a season, so it's impossible to call him overrated. Just go with T.O. like the rest of the world.
__________________
Gribble is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2007, 10:17 AM    (permalink
jkpigskin
Pro Bowler
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Maryland
Posts: 4,830
Reputation: 27445
jkpigskin is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.jkpigskin is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.jkpigskin is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.jkpigskin is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.jkpigskin is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.jkpigskin is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.jkpigskin is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.jkpigskin is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.jkpigskin is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.jkpigskin is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.jkpigskin is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

kelly gregg is mos definatly underrated... if he has another solid season, he better make the pro bowl
__________________


Go Ravens!
jkpigskin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2007, 10:19 AM    (permalink
Acreboy
Pro Bowler
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: New Iberia/Acadian Acres
Posts: 2,806
Reputation: 339
Acreboy hopes to escalate quickly but not get out of hand.Acreboy hopes to escalate quickly but not get out of hand.
Default

Evans is not underrated. Our O-Line coach said he wouldn't trade Evans for any O-lineman in the league. He got nothing but praise last year for his play.

MM is not overrated. He's a top 10 CB in this league.Charles Grant might be a little overrated. He disappears for games at a time.
Acreboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:31 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.