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Old 11-16-2014, 10:42 PM    (permalink
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Florida St. #1 in both Polls. Just goes to show, better to be undefeated and play a bunch of nobodies than lose once and play a very tough schedule.

Fortunately, there will be no hiding in a playoff format where you'll have to play 2 very tough opponents to win a NC.
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26 straight wins is pretty impressive in the title IX era, wouldn't you agree?
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26 straight wins is pretty impressive in the title IX era, wouldn't you agree?
Very impressive, but when you examine their schedule over the last 2 years, they have played against only one top 15 team, Auburn in the NCG. That's pretty unimpressive.

I have no problem with them making the playoffs, but I think they might struggle although Winston is the real deal IMO and has really carried them this season.
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Very impressive, but when you examine their schedule over the last 2 years, they have played against only one top 15 team, Auburn in the NCG. That's pretty unimpressive.

I have no problem with them making the playoffs, but I think they might struggle although Winston is the real deal IMO and has really carried them this season.
Uh, it's really impressive.

I hate this argument about the meh schedule. Mathematically, it's hard to win a bunch of games in a row. Even against top 50 teams.

Here are the longest streaks. FSU is in the middle of that.
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Very impressive, but when you examine their schedule over the last 2 years, they have played against only one top 15 team, Auburn in the NCG. That's pretty unimpressive.

I have no problem with them making the playoffs, but I think they might struggle although Winston is the real deal IMO and has really carried them this season.
Can you quit with the lies on this. Clemson was also a Top 10 team last year. And if we want to count the SEC way, Miami was a Top 10 opponent as well in 2013 as well as Notre Dame this year. (Which only seems fair with Mississippi State getting credit for beating LSU, Auburn, and A&M, none of whom even remotely deserve to be ranked right now)

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Uh, it's really impressive.

I hate this argument about the meh schedule. Mathematically, it's hard to win a bunch of games in a row. Even against top 50 teams.

Here are the longest streaks. FSU is in the middle of that.
If not for losing twice to Princeton, Yale would have at least 76 game winning streak. That said, no one will ever break Oklahoma's record. For FSU to tie the record, they need to win out this year, go undefeated in 2015, and then win the season opener in 2016.

But to put this streak into perspective, 13-14 FSU just matched the winning streak of 1994-95 Nebraska.

I would recognize the Miami 00-02 streak of 34 in a row as the modern record (USCw would not count since most of those wins have been stripped), which I define as after Title IX was implemented and scholarships were reduced from Infinite to about 120 and now down to 85.

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I'm really interested to see the committee's rankings this week. I think FSU, Oregon, and Alabama are obviously top 3, in some order, but I have no idea what that order is. The committee seems to have been unimpressed by FSU's come from behind wins against average opponents, so are they jumped by Bama? Does Oregon slide into the #1, or are they jumped by Bama with the impressive win, or a still unbeaten FSU? Or both?

And then, of course, it will be interesting to see who gets the 4th spot.
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I'm really interested to see the committee's rankings this week. I think FSU, Oregon, and Alabama are obviously top 3, in some order, but I have no idea what that order is. The committee seems to have been unimpressed by FSU's come from behind wins against average opponents, so are they jumped by Bama? Does Oregon slide into the #1, or are they jumped by Bama with the impressive win, or a still unbeaten FSU? Or both?

And then, of course, it will be interesting to see who gets the 4th spot.
For all the talk about FSU's schedule, Alabama just picked up their first Top 25 victory this weekend, over another team who has but one Top 25 win (and that team doesn't deserve to be ranked after losing by 31 the week after losing to an Unranked a team, a formula that would send any other non-SEC team completely out of the rankings).
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I'm really interested to see the committee's rankings this week. I think FSU, Oregon, and Alabama are obviously top 3, in some order, but I have no idea what that order is. The committee seems to have been unimpressed by FSU's come from behind wins against average opponents, so are they jumped by Bama? Does Oregon slide into the #1, or are they jumped by Bama with the impressive win, or a still unbeaten FSU? Or both?

And then, of course, it will be interesting to see who gets the 4th spot.
MSU, OSU, Baylor in that order.
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If not for losing twice to Princeton, Yale would have at least 76 game winning streak. That said, no one will ever break Oklahoma's record. For FSU to tie the record, they need to win out this year, go undefeated in 2015, and then win the season opener in 2016.

But to put this streak into perspective, 13-14 FSU just matched the winning streak of 1994-95 Nebraska.

I would recognize the Miami 00-02 streak of 34 in a row as the modern record (USCw would not count since most of those wins have been stripped), which I define as after Title IX was implemented and scholarships were reduced from Infinite to about 120 and now down to 85.
Yeah, OSU had a 24 game streak last year. It's crazy hard to do. Everyone is bringing their A game and a team can only get up for 3 or 4 games a season, so there will be a lot of imperfect performances by the team on the winning streak.
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For all the talk about FSU's schedule, Alabama just picked up their first Top 25 victory this weekend, over another team who has but one Top 25 win (and that team doesn't deserve to be ranked after losing by 31 the week after losing to an Unranked a team, a formula that would send any other non-SEC team completely out of the rankings).
Mississippi State and Ole Miss would be 2 Top 25 wins for Alabama
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As much as I hate it I think Miss St will end up 4th.

Something like:
1. FSU
2. Alabama
3. Oregon
4. Miss St
5. Baylor / TCU
6. TCU / Baylor
7. OSU
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Mississippi State and Ole Miss would be 2 Top 25 wins for Alabama
So Alabama gets credit for a win in a game they scored less points than their opponent?

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So Alabama gets credit for a win in a game they scored less points than their opponent?
Lol good call. Looked a little too quickly.
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As much as I hate it I think Miss St will end up 4th.

Something like:
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2. Alabama
3. Oregon
4. Miss St
5. Baylor / TCU
6. TCU / Baylor
7. OSU
Baylor and TCU should both be above Mississippi State. Just because they beat a bunch of overrated teams who played pathetic OOC schedules doesn't mean they are a legit Top 5 team.
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Lol good call. Looked a little too quickly.
Well that would be ESPN's ideal narrative, SEC teams are so good even when they lose they win.

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Tried doing a little thing where it would show what the BCS rankings would have it, had their ranking system still been in place. AP replaces Harris Poll and Anderson and Hester haven't updated yet (though they should by today) But as it is, It would have been....


1. Florida St (0.978896)
2. Alabama (0.96551)
3. Oregon (0.90505)
4. Mississippi St (0.849599)
5. TCU (0.81216)
6. Ohio St (0.79897)
7. Baylor (0.77399)
8. Mississippi (0.7136)
9. Georgia (0.63497)
10. Michigan St (0.6217)
11. UCLA (0.5800)
12. Kansas St (0.5021)
13. Arizona St (0.4528)
14. Wisconsin (0.43976)
15. Auburn (0.4361)
16. Arizona (0.4350)
17. Georgia Tech (0.3194)
18. Marshall (0.31916)
19. Missouri (0.23753)
20. Nebraska (0.237)
21. Colorado St (0.20259)
22. Utah (0.1835)
23. Oklahoma (0.1561)
24. USC (0.09394)
25. Boise St (0.053326)
26. Duke (0.04684588)
27. Notre Dame (0.046265)
28. Clemson (0.02639)
29. LSU (0.02391)
30. Texas A&M (0.014645)
31. Louisville (0.01053)
32. Minnesota (0.0084588)
33. West Virginia (0.00199)
34. Miami FL (0.00195699)
35. Iowa (0.001505)
36. Texas (0.001075)
37. Arkansas (0.000659)
38. Cincinnati (0.00064516)
39. N Illinois (0.0004301)
40. Stanford (0.0004301)


The computers were kind to FSU as well, only one comp ranked them out of the top 4 (Sagarin, they had them at 15 but as the lowest, they would be trimmed out)

Massey rocks for having all the rankings updated on pretty much everything that ranks.

BCS Wise, there are 3 teams worthy of a playoff spot and 4 teams fighting over that last one. The whole "It's broken, we should have gotten in the playoff!" arguments would start up.

It might happen with the committee anyway (TCU, Baylor and Ohio State people might be upset if Miss State got in instead)

Also put 40 teams because that's how many got at least 1 vote.

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Tried doing a little thing where it would show what the BCS rankings would have it, had their ranking system still been in place. AP replaces Harris Poll and Anderson and Hester haven't updated yet (though they should by today) But as it is, It would have been....

Rank Team Composite
1 Florida St 0.978896057
2 Alabama 0.965512545
3 Oregon 0.905053763
4 Mississippi St 0.849598566
5 TCU 0.812164875
6 Ohio St 0.79897491
7 Baylor 0.773992832
8 Mississippi 0.713648746
9 Georgia 0.634967742
10 Michigan St 0.621727599
11 UCLA 0.580043011
12 Kansas St 0.502136201
13 Arizona St 0.452831541
14 Wisconsin 0.439763441
15 Auburn 0.436136201
16 Arizona 0.435017921
17 Georgia Tech 0.319448029
18 Marshall 0.31916129
19 Missouri 0.23753405
20 Nebraska 0.2370681
21 Colorado St 0.202587814
22 Utah 0.183505376
23 Oklahoma 0.156100358
24 USC 0.093942652
25 Boise St 0.053326165
26 Duke 0.046845878
27 Notre Dame 0.046265233
28 Clemson 0.026394265
29 LSU 0.023913978
30 Texas A&M 0.014645161
31 Louisville 0.010530466
32 Minnesota 0.008458781
33 West Virginia 0.001992832
34 Miami FL 0.001956989
35 Iowa 0.001505376
36 Texas 0.001075269
37 Arkansas 0.000659498
38 Cincinnati 0.000645161
39 N Illinois 0.000430108
40 Stanford 0.000430108


The computers were kind to FSU as well, only one comp ranked them out of the top 4 (Sagarin, they had them at 15 but as the lowest, they would be trimmed out)

Massey rocks for having all the rankings updated on pretty much everything that ranks.

BCS Wise, there are 3 teams worthy of a playoff spot and 4 teams fighting over that last one. The whole "It's broken, we should have gotten in the playoff!" arguments would start up.

It might happen with the committee anyway (TCU, Baylor and Ohio State people might be upset if Miss State got in instead)
First of all, good work!

Not many people want to see MSU replaying Alabama. The TV people know this.
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First of all, good work!

Not many people want to see MSU replaying Alabama. The TV people know this.
Won't matter when MSU loses to Ole Miss and Auburn beats Alabama while the ACC, B1G, B12, and P12 champs go to the Playoffs.
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Funny things I have noticed:

1 Coach and I'm guessing 2 AP members ranked Arkansas. 5-5 Arkansas. First ever SEC win for their coach Arkansas.

Texas got 5 points from the Coaches Poll. Beating Texas now counts for something. More than say....Beating Florida, or 8-2 Air Force....or Oregon State (yeah 5-5, but at least one of those was Arizona State!)
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Funny things I have noticed:

1 Coach and I'm guessing 2 AP members ranked Arkansas. 5-5 Arkansas. First ever SEC win Arkansas.

Texas got 5 points from the Coaches Poll. Beating Texas now counts for something. More than say....Beating Florida, or 8-2 Air Force.
Seriously whatever coach did that deserves to lose his vote in perpetuity.
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Putting Miss St at 4 would be an absolute travesty.
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Putting Miss St at 4 would be an absolute travesty.
The local radio guys said they should be 3rd. I asked why and he said because the SEC West is the best division. I then noted that Oregon has beaten 3 top-25 teams compared to 1 for Miss State, has a better non-conference, and better opponent winning percentage. His only response was if they beat Ole Miss those numbers don't matter.
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The local radio guys said they should be 3rd. I asked why and he said because the SEC West is the best division. I then noted that Oregon has beaten 3 top-25 teams compared to 1 for Miss State, has a better non-conference, and better opponent winning percentage. His only response was if they beat Ole Miss those numbers don't matter.
You are trying to appeal to reason when talking to Neanderthals. Impossible.
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He is now saying Arizona, who has a better record and a higher ranking than any team State has beaten, is completely average and would get killed by Arkansas. The SEC homerism is just absurd at this point.
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