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Old 06-11-2007, 01:33 AM    (permalink
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I posted this in another thread, but I think it's worth it's own.

....this brings up a question I always had. The other primary sports all have one significant legendary figure. Someone who's name, when uttered is instantly recognizable by hardcore sports fans and and non-sport fans alike. They are Icons who epitomize the essence of there sport. You mention the sport and there name coincides with it, and vice-versa. Guys who seem to transcend there respected sport. For basketball it is Jordan, baseball it's Babe Ruth, and NHL it's Gretzky. But does football have this one significant figure? Or is football to much of a team sport to even narrow it down just to one guy? Just something I always thought about.

And for what it's worth I think it would Vince Lombardi. For me when I think football I think of that hat, the power sweep and the name on that trophy. Everything about his name and his legacy is football. But with all this he isn't as recognizable as Jordan or Ruth is too a non-sports fan, like my sister or grandma.

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Old 06-11-2007, 01:36 AM    (permalink
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Its definetly not Lombardi. I bet many people dont know who Lombardi is.

But as for an icon, my thoughts go to Joe Montana or Jerry Rice...But I have been living in the Bay Area for the past 10 years.
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It's much harder for one player to take over a game than it is in NHL, NBA, and MLB. I think each area has it's own icon, and there isn't one fully recognizable superstar for the NFL.
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Jerry Rice or Emmit Smith.

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Brett Favre is as close as it will get.

Remember before Gretzky there was Orr (or Richard if you're canadian)
there's always a superstar before and there's always one that will come
after...that's a part of the reason we watch.

Clemens in baseball (though it's turned into a sideshow act) and Favre for football. Basketball is a league with a "forced" superstar in James...though
he may win a title this year, it will still take years of multiple accomplishments
(including multi championships) to even be breathed in the same sentance as
Jabbar, Magic, Jordan, The big O, Marovich or even say an Olaijuwon.
Hockey is in the same boat,...marketing the game behind it's best young player
and golf is owned by Tiger and Phil.

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Old 06-11-2007, 01:59 AM    (permalink
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Brett Favre is as close as it will get.

Remember before Gretzky there was Orr (or Richard if you're canadian)
there's always a superstar before and there's always one that will come
after...that's a part of the reason we watch.

Clemens in baseball (though it's turned into a sideshow act) and Favre for football. Basketball is a league with a "forced" superstar in James...though
he may win a title this year, it will still take years of multiple accomplishments
(including multi championships) to even be breathed in the same sentance as
Jabbar, Magic, Jordan, The big O, Marovich or even say an Olaijuwon.
Hockey is in the same boat,...marketing the game behind it's best young player
and golf is owned by Tiger and Phil.
Clemens isn't the face of all time MLB, not even current. I am not even casual and I can't remember his name all the time. A-rod is the most recognizable. Current Basketball is Shaq easily, he is right behind Jordan. Hockey is Gretzky, I can't name another hockey player.

I think that you think this is only current players.

Brett Favre isn't that known among casual/ non fans. Peyton has so many commercials he is bound to be more known than 99% of the players.
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Clemens isn't the face of all time MLB, not even current. I am not even casual and I can't remember his name all the time. A-rod is the most recognizable. Current Basketball is Shaq easily, he is right behind Jordan. Hockey is Gretzky, I can't name another hockey player.

I think that you think this is only current players.
I didn't mean Clemens as the all time...just as of now. He's a 5 time Cy Young winner and has 1 thing A-Rod doesn't. A ring with the Yankees.
A-Rod is (to me anyways) the best player in the game and has been for 5 years...but that doesn't make him a name you directly associate with the games past present and future. Clemens is the modern era's Cy Young.
Hockey is greatzky , and always will be. How about Ray Borque, Mark Messier, Domanic Hasek, Mario Lemiux or Jarmir Jagr.
I'd forgotten about Shaq. He's been dominant but I think really think he missed his calling with acting..I mean everytime I see Kazaam I'm more and more impressed.
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Clemens isn't the face of all time MLB, not even current. I am not even casual and I can't remember his name all the time. A-rod is the most recognizable. Current Basketball is Shaq easily, he is right behind Jordan. Hockey is Gretzky, I can't name another hockey player.

I think that you think this is only current players.

Brett Favre isn't that known among casual/ non fans. Peyton has so many commercials he is bound to be more known than 99% of the players.
I'm sorry, but Shaq is not the face of the NBA. Not even close.
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Everyone knows Marino. Laces out Dan.
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I'm sorry, but Shaq is not the face of the NBA. Not even close.
Agree 1000%. The face of the NBA right now is Dwade, or LBJ. Dwade is on all those commercials for his phone, and Lebron is just flat out good. Both players everyone knows about, but probably James more. So I go w/ James.

As for the NFL right now its Peyton Manning. again commercials, but he also does everything good, and sends the messages that the NFL wants to send. LT is in a close behind, but QB gets the spotlight more.

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Peyton is taking on that kind of image right now, and yeah there are guys like Jonny U, Montana, Marino, Rice who have that kind of stigma. I also think John Madden should have his name thrown into the mix. But no there is no guy in football like a Michael Jordan to the NBA, Muhammad Ali to boxing, or Gretzky to the NHL. i.e. a guy who is the undisputed best ever.
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Current: Peyton

All-Time: Montana, Emmit, or Rice. I hear Marino's name all the time living in South Florida. Walter Payton is also a player that comes to mind for me.
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Shaq definitely WAS the face of the NBA during Jordan's fadeout/post retirement era. League MVP, the most dominant player on the most dominant team, 3 peat.

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i think soon it will be reggie bush. I don't think people really understand how he revolutionized the sport these past 2 years.

Not to mention all the casual fans he sucked into watching the sport more regularly.

I live in anaheim so we use to get random nfl games on sunday but this past year we got 95 percent of the saints' games.

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NFL-It's Peyton due to all of his commercials and he just won the Super Bowl and was on SNL.

MLB-It's Clemens all you do is hear his name right now. Everybody at my work that watches or doesn't watch sports know Roger Clemens.

NBA-LeBron James even though he doesn't deserve it it's ture.

NHL-Sidney Crosby...uh yea Crosby I guess.
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right now....

NFL: Manning (Peyton of course)
NBA: Lebron James
MLB: A-Rod
Golf: Tiger
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It's really hard to pick just one. In the NFL right now, I think it has to be Brett Favre. When Favre retires, it will probably be Brady, unless Manning can get another SB trophy to back up the hype and the endorsements with even MORE hardware.

All time, some guys who are definitely on the list of possibles:

Montana

Unitas

Barry Sanders

Lombardi

Walsh

Shula

Jim Brown

Jerry Rice

Emmitt Smith

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I think it changes. I think the latest era has been Tom Brady. The one before Brett Favre, Elway, Jerry Rice, Steve Young and the list goes on.

There's no real "one" icon, maybe top 5 most recognizable players.

Brady, Manning, Vick, Ray Lewis, Terrell Owens.

Though the last three probably for as many bad reasons as good.

I think that the big parity between AFC and NFC as far as a lot of coverage in some areas makes a difference too.
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It is very hard to have one defining icon in football because careers are so short in comparison to other sports. Baseball players can play 25 years, hockey easily 20, and basketball 20 in many cases. Football players cannot start their careers until 20 at best, and in many cases, it's 22 or 23. Playing 12 years becomes a long career in the NFL. You don't see many non-kicker/punters playing more than 15.
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I think it changes. I think the latest era has been Tom Brady. The one before Brett Favre, Elway, Jerry Rice, Steve Young and the list goes on.

There's no real "one" icon, maybe top 5 most recognizable players.

Brady, Manning, Vick, Ray Lewis, Terrell Owens.

Though the last three probably for as many bad reasons as good.

I think that the big parity between AFC and NFC as far as a lot of coverage in some areas makes a difference too.
I agree. I'd have to say in my area (Pittsburgh/Johnstown/Altoona, PA) it's all about Troy Polamalu, because of his hair.
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Here are what I think that todays icons are in their respective sports.

Football - Peyton Manning
Baseball - Alex Rodriguez
Basketball - LeBron James
Hockey - Sidney Crosby
Soccer - David Beckham
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NFL - Favre, Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, T.O., Peyton, Brady, Montana, Elway, Young, Marino, E Smith, B Sanders, D Sanders, Marshall Faulk, all names I think of when I think NFL

MLB - Jeter, Clemens, Cal Ripkin Jr., Ken Griffey Jr., a-rod, Babe Ruth, Mickey Mantal, Hank, Reggie Jackson, Paul o'neal(sp, could never spell his name right)

NBA - Jordan, Shaq, Lebron, Dwade

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It changes by era. If you recall may Packers were in commericals in the mid-90's
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I'd say Peyton Manning is the face of the NFL right now.
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How many advertising campaigns and other media jobs has Peyton Manning done in the past 2 years?

If he's not the NFL's crowning Golden Boy I don't know who is.
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