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Old 06-11-2007, 10:45 PM    (permalink
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and chad johnson.

i think, in football, there's no way to look for a single player. i mean, i could say unitas. but then there's montana, marino, elway, etc.

i guess i'm not even sure you can say jordan's as iconic as you're giving him credit for. bill russell? wilt chamberlain? i'm not really trying hard, but i think in any sport, it's difficult to point out a single guy and say "he's basketball" or "he's football". i guess, if we're looking for a jordan like player, it would be difficult to not say montana, in terms of stature in the game. but again, in both sports (and in hockey, and probably in baseball), there are so many arguments one could make.
Something about Ruth and Jordan, aside there success and performance on the field and court, they transcended there respective sports. Ruth's charisma and personality brought baseball to a wider audience, he made it accessible. Ruth was really the first athlete that became a celebrity. Samething for Jordan. A marketing and money cow whose name is goes beyond basketball, it is a brand and corporation. People in Japan, Austarli, Uk know these names. They are Icons. They are the biggest names to ever play in there sport. And with there stature, doesn't come with the title as "greatest ever", but rather thety are known as winners, marketers, personalities and apart of a America's Culture.
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Throw out all these other names for the NBA.. The most POLARIZING figure in the sport today is none other than Kobe Bryant.
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People took this to a broader scale then I would thought. I was asking for a one significant figure for the sports whole lifetime. Basketball is MJ, Baseball is Ruth, but question is does football have this figure, this legend. and people come up here with Reggie Bush? WTF
ask people who dont watch or know anything about football and whose name will they say is recognizable? vince lombardi?

besides the all time answer is probably jerry rice then.
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Throw out all these other names for the NBA.. The most POLARIZING figure in the sport today is none other than Kobe Bryant.

Michael Vick is in the discussion in regards to most polarizing. He has been the most discussed and debated player in the NFL for five years now.
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I would say Rice, he dominated his position in a way no other player has.
Marino's records could soon be broken by Favre. Emitt did only but so much better than Payton. Nobody outside of the football world pays attention to OL or DL. And the only defensive playr that jumps out at non-fans is Ray Lewis and thats because he was arrested. The best way to tell who the major icon of the NFL is to ask women, who dont play sports/follow football, if they know any names of NFL players
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ask people who dont watch or know anything about football and whose name will they say is recognizable? vince lombardi?

besides the all time answer is probably jerry rice then.
It sure ain't Reggie bush, that's for danm sure. Whoever pulled that name out should be banished from here, he hasn't done anything in the NFL to even be in the conversation as "The" NFL Icon, ridiculous.

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Roger Clemens? Are you kidding me? Greg Maddux is 10 times the pitcher he is, without a doubt. If you want to call anyone the modern day Cy Young, it's Greg Maddux. The only reason Clemens name is in the news is because he is with the Yankees.

MLB "Icons" - Current - Pujols, Mauer, Arod, Bonds, Jeter, Griffey Jr., Randy Johnson, Ortiz, Manny, the Young Mets (Wright and Reyes), and so on.
MLB Past "Icons" - Pete Rose, Sandy Koufax, Willie Mays, Mickey Mantle, the Babe, Nolan Ryan, Lou Gerhig, Joe Dimaggio, ect.
Match up stat for stat and Clemens OWNS everyone of the last 20 years.
He's without a doubt a top 10 pitcher of all time.
The only other players you can even put into that category should be less
than 10...and for pitchers there isn't another one.
Clemens has excelled wherever he's been. Maddux did what with the Cubs ? ummm what with the Padres ?? He was the elite' beneficiary of a solid Braves team that made 3 world series apperances during Maddox's best years ...but Clemens to a very average 86 RedSox team to within a
few outs of being a world champion. I'd doubt very much if you could name 1/2 of that red sox starting lineup without googling it. They were a 1 man show and that 1 man was the rocket.
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It sure ain't Reggie bush, that's for danm sure. Whoever pulled that name out should be banished from here, he hasn't done anything in the NFL to even be in the conversation as "The" NFL Icon, ridiculous.
i said his name, but not based on his production. moreso his recognizability.
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NHL- Gretzky he made hockey what it is now.
NBA- Kobe consider one of the best right next to Jordan.
MLB- Bonds? i know its not right but everyone knows him.
NFL- Favre or Marino
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i said his name, but not based on his production. moreso his recognizability.
...you said he revolutionized the sport over the past two years...

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i think soon it will be reggie bush. I don't think people really understand how he revolutionized the sport these past 2 years.
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...you said he revolutionized the sport over the past two years...
well i didnt really mean in the nfl.

(i dont know if that makes any sense)

that was a gross exaggeration on my part. I just meant he brought a lot of casual fans to watching the sport more.

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well i didnt really mean in the nfl.

(i dont know if that makes any sense)
He didn't revolutionize much in the college game either, he's a receiving, speedy RB, there were ones before him, and ones after him...he may have been better then the others in college, but he certainly didn't change anything.

I get what your saying it just hardly makes him the NFL's "major icon" or a revolutionizer of the game.
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He didn't revolutionize much in the college game either, he's a receiving, speedy RB, there were ones before him, and ones after him...he may have been better then the others in college, but he certainly didn't change anything.

I get what your saying it just hardly makes him the NFL's "major icon" or a revolutionizer of the game.
yeah im doing a really bad job of explaining what i mean. I should just simplify it to "people know who he is"
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yeah im doing a really bad job of explaining what i mean. I should just simplify it to "people know who he is"
I don't think it anyone would argue that...lol.
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i think soon it will be reggie bush. I don't think people really understand how he revolutionized the sport these past 2 years.

Not to mention all the casual fans he sucked into watching the sport more regularly.

I live in anaheim so we use to get random nfl games on sunday but this past year we got 95 percent of the saints' games.
he didn't revolutionize ****.

He didn't change the way the game is played did he?

Will he? NO
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coming from australia football is not even close to mainstream so the casual sportsfan over here normally hasnt heard of many players at all. from what i hear i think that dan marino or john elway or the most famous for the non football fan.
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and of current players id go with mike vick, ive got freinds that have never watched a game of football in their lives and they know who mike vick is
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Match up stat for stat and Clemens OWNS everyone of the last 20 years.
He's without a doubt a top 10 pitcher of all time.
The only other players you can even put into that category should be less
than 10...and for pitchers there isn't another one.
Ok, I'm a big Roger Clemens fan, but have you ever heard of a guy by the name of Pedro Martinez? His stats puts Clemens' to shame. Granted, I believe both are top 10 of all-time, but Clemens only gets the recognition he does because of how long he has been doing it. The fact that Clemens has been playing at such a high level for so long puts him about equal to Martinez, but to say Clemens is on a whole other level for the last 20 years is bull.

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First of all, this is easy for me since I am a Red Sox fan, but you have got to be kidding me with this one man show thing? I can tell you don't follow baseball by a few things in that comment. Any average baseball fan knows Tom Seaver, Wade Boggs, Jim Rice, and Don Baylor. Boggs is a Hall of Famer and Rice is a borderline Hall of Famer who has been close to getting in numerous times. Tom Seaver is a Hall of Famer (although 1986 was at the end of his career). Secondly, no one starting pitcher can ever have that much effect on a team. You do realize that Clemens only pitched in 20% of his teams games that year, right? No one starting pitcher has ever carried on entire team to an almost World Series Championship. It just isn't possible. When you only have effect on one game out of every five you just can't realistically do that much for a team. The most one pitcher can do is give you a chance to win 20% of your games. Nothing more. Again, I'm a big Clemens fan, but let's not make him into something he's not.
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He may not be close to the best player in the league right now, but he is going to start his 17th year. The nfl has been promoting him forever with prime time games due to all the records he has been breaking and will continue to do so until he retires. He is in the process of breaking the all time touchdown pass record and hasnt miseed a game in 16 years. For younger people he would be less recognizable(which is the age group most represented on this site), but the NFL is watched by all age groups including many peoples great grand pappies.
That said he will likely be historically viewed just equally in recognition with many other all time great. Without quetion he is currently one of the top faces in the nfl today.

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