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Old 06-25-2007, 02:31 PM    (permalink
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Rookie holdouts are such ********. You've proved absolutely nothing, but feel like you deserve more money? Shut the **** up, and get on the field.
Completely true...they're still getting tens of millions
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Old 06-25-2007, 02:44 PM    (permalink
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If I was the #3 pick in the draft, and I saw that the #3 pick from the previous year got $26 million guaranteed, I would not settle for very much less. Doing so would just be stupid.
There's no comparison. . . The #3 draft pick last year was a franchise QB (Vince Young). QBs have the most important role on a football team, therefore an offensive lineman should NEVER think that he is equal to that of a franchise QB, regardless if they were both the #3 draft pick. QBs impact the game/team/league FAR MORE than an offensive lineman. . .
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Old 06-25-2007, 02:47 PM    (permalink
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Thomas told his agent he wants to be in camp on time... Might be a hold out, I don't see why its being reported now seeing as we still have over a month until training camp.
Joe is a quality individual and trust me he isn't the one causing the problems; it's browns management
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There's no comparison. . . The #3 draft pick last year was a franchise QB (Vince Young). QBs have the most important role on a football team, therefore an offensive lineman should NEVER think that he is equal to that of a franchise QB, regardless if they were both the #3 draft pick. QBs impact the game/team/league FAR MORE than an offensive lineman. . .
Let's take a look at the contracts signed by the past three #3 overall draft picks:

Larry Fitzgerald - 6 years, $60 million, $20.4 million guaranteed
Braylon Edwards - 5 years, $40 million, $18.5 million guaranteed
Vince Young - 6 years, $58 million, $25.74 million guaranteed

Now why shouldn't Joe Thomas' contract be in that ballpark, again?
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Old 06-25-2007, 02:56 PM    (permalink
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Edwards really got a "crappy" deal.
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The whole Bush thing from last year was completely hilarious. "OMG BUSH IS GOING TO SIT OUT AND RE-ENTER THE DRAFT~!!"

Good times.
HAHA, that was pretty funny. Everyone was freaking out.
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Edwards really got a "crappy" deal.
Yeah I suppose he did in comparison, but $18.5 million guaranteed on a 5 year deal is not bad at all.

Joe Thomas will get $20 million + guaranteed, I... uhh... guarantee it.
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Old 06-25-2007, 03:30 PM    (permalink
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HAHA, that was pretty funny. Everyone was freaking out.
It was essentially that topic that made me post here on a regular basis rather than just lurking.
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the browns need to stop being cheap, if they can pay eric steinbach 7 mil or whatever they can pay Joe Thomas, a potential franchise tackle the same.
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Old 06-28-2007, 07:36 PM    (permalink
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And for the people complaining about rookie hold outs, just stop because if you were in that position you'd be trying to get every penny you could, the same thing happened with Bush last year and every one trashing him, just shut it because it's a business and it would be dumb for a player to not get as much as the can.
One could easily argue that it may be worth more to come into camp and earn your starting spot. Most of these contracts are laced with incentives and your much more likely to get advertising money if your playing.
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Yah sometimes I wonder if sitting out hurts contract negotiations more than it helps. Attending preseason/training camp is sort of like extending the olive branch, and it also gives you the chance to show that you deserve that big of an investment.
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Old 06-28-2007, 09:07 PM    (permalink
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If I was Thomas I'd be lobbying for a contract bigger than the one Fergueson got last year. I think his was only 5 years and I expect Thomas to be signed to 6 so infact it could be alot more.
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Old 06-28-2007, 09:46 PM    (permalink
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are you implying an offensive lineman stands to gain a lot from endorsement deals?
He is actual in the UA commercials already. But I seriously doubt he gets any more endorsement deals, and if he does I doubt they will be because he got into camp on time and took a smaller contract.
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This is why the NFL (and NBA for that matter) need the arbitration system.
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Did the pack have a problem like this with AR?
Not a problem with him, but it took a long time for his agent and our capologist to work out a deal. He is paid like a back-up the first three years without having a large cap and received a signing bonus equal to his slot. He has large escalators and if he had started two years ago or last year would have received very large bonuses. Quinn is not sitting behind Brett Favre, so he'll likely be having a contract closer to the Skins' QB.
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One could easily argue that it may be worth more to come into camp and earn your starting spot. Most of these contracts are laced with incentives and your much more likely to get advertising money if your playing.
You'll get both if you hold out when being low balled.
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Let's take a look at the contracts signed by the past three #3 overall draft picks:

Larry Fitzgerald - 6 years, $60 million, $20.4 million guaranteed
Braylon Edwards - 5 years, $40 million, $18.5 million guaranteed
Vince Young - 6 years, $58 million, $25.74 million guaranteed

Now why shouldn't Joe Thomas' contract be in that ballpark, again?
Because Joe Thomas won't impact a team's record the same way an offensive player (QB, RB, WR, TE) would. Don't get me wrong, offensive lineman are important to a team, but it's not as important as the other offensive positions that will actually put points on the score board. . . This is not to say Joe Thomas doesn't deserve a nice contract, but in no way should it be comparable to that of a franchise player at a different offensive position.

Fitzgerald, Edwards, and Young impact their teams way more than Joe Thomas ever could. . . That's just the reality of it.
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Yea WR more valuable than a LT, right.
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Yea WR more valuable than a LT, right.
Yup!

If you think a Joe Thomas will impact a team more than a Chad Johnson, then you're smoking some good ****. . . A good WR will always be more valuable than a good LT.
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Yup!

If you think a Joe Thomas will impact a team more than a Chad Johnson, then you're smoking some good ****. . . A good WR will always be more valuable than a good LT.
See: Houston Texans.
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See: Houston Texans.
David Carr is partly to blame for that, too. It took him 20 seconds just to throw the ball. . .

Words from Andre Johnson:

"When you look at, the differences that I see is that with David (Carr) you had to wait on the ball a little bit more," Johnson said. "With Matt, he's pretty decisive with what he's doing. He's going to get back in his drop and let the ball go. When you're in your route, you don't have to wait on the ball or anything like that."
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We'll see when the season starts how Schaub does.

Games are decided in the trenches, however. That's football 101.
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Yup!

If you think a Joe Thomas will impact a team more than a Chad Johnson, then you're smoking some good ****. . . A good WR will always be more valuable than a good LT.
QB, and LT are pretty much the highest paid positions(CB not to far behind) so it isnt outragous that he should be pretty close to VY money. Especially if Thomas looks like he could be starting day one.
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Yup!

If you think a Joe Thomas will impact a team more than a Chad Johnson, then you're smoking some good ****. . . A good WR will always be more valuable than a good LT.
1. Raiders - Randy Moss - Robert Gallery
2. Lions - Roy Williams - Jeff Backus
3. Browns - Braylon Edwards - Kevin Shaffer
4. Bucs - Joey Galloway - Anthony Davis? who?
5. Cardinals - Fitz and Boldin! - Leonard Davis
8. Texans - Andre Johnson - Ephraim Salaam


Lotta good recievers on that list....also lotta mediorce to bad LT's.

Coincidentally also the ordering of the 2007 NFL Draft....
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WTF people are smoking crack in this thread! LT>WR every time. If you disagree, you are a ball watcher.
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