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Old 06-27-2007, 09:05 PM    (permalink
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If the Pac Ten is so bad than why are they able to compete with USC?
Sep 2 - W at Arkansas, 50-14
Sep 9 - Open
Sep 16 - W vs. Nebraska, 28-10
Sep 23 - W at Arizona, 20-3
Sep 30 - W at Washington St, 28-22
Oct 7 - W vs. Washington, 26-20
Oct 14 - W vs. Arizona State, 28-21
Oct 21 - Open
Oct 28 - L at Oregon State, 31-33
Nov 4 - W at Stanford, 42-0
Nov 11 - W vs. Oregon, 35-10
Nov 18 - W vs. California, 23-9
Nov 25 - W vs. Notre Dame, 44-24
Dec 2 - L at U-C-L-A, 9-13
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USC only suffered two losses last year both to Pac Ten teams.
Some teams match up well with others.

Ole Miss always (for the most part) gives LSU fits.
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Yea we should get rid of all confrences besides the SEC and just let that division battle it out for the National Championship.[/sarcasm]

Noone is really trying to argue that Pac-10 >>SEC its just that with is as good as almost every other division besides the SEC. Lets see if the Pac-10 is as average as everyone thinks come bowl season.
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The strength of the Pac-10, at least to me, has always been questionable. Like in the SEC, it's a toss up each year between Florida, LSU, Georgia, Auburn, Tennesee and even Alabama or Arkansas. They're the most deep conference in the nation. In the Pac-10.. It seems like USC always comes out on top with Cal or UCLA trailing behind by a large margin.

But, I think this cheap shot was uncalled for and not needed. Les, just talk on the field bro. I'm sure LSU would give it to USC in Cali or in the Bayou. That LSU defense is impenetrable.
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Ha, just like Michigans did.
SC would kill Matt Flynn. In all honesty though I would love to LSU/USC. It would be a great match up IMO. As long as Flynn can manage the game vs. SEC defenses LSU should be in the big dance.
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Old 06-28-2007, 12:52 AM    (permalink
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Yea we should get rid of all confrences besides the SEC and just let that division battle it out for the National Championship.[/sarcasm]

Noone is really trying to argue that Pac-10 >>SEC its just that with is as good as almost every other division besides the SEC. Lets see if the Pac-10 is as average as everyone thinks come bowl season.
what was the pac 10 record in bowl games last year?
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Everyone knows rivals and scout have a southern bias in the recruiting department. So the whole star ranking system is good, but not great.

The SEC is the deepest conference, but never the most topheavy.

The big 10 and Pac 10 are more topheavy in terms of the overall talent on the top level teams. Only LSU and florida can match talentwise with OSU, Michigan, and USC.

Furthermore, SEC teams make it a habit to play terrible OOC teams. Lots of d1aa teams and such, so I dont buy into it tooo much.

Furthermore, when you try to throw the "Florida killed OSU tidbit" stop talking. The Big Ten went 3-1 vs the sec during the bowl season. They won the big one, but a piece of crap PSU team beat Tennessee, "Average" Wisconsin beat both Auburn at one of their best, and Arkansas the last two years. SEC is the best conference because there are more good teams, but not the overall top end talent IMO.
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The PAC 10 will be very good this year. I wouldn't want to face a pac 10 team. UCLA is going to be very underrated, USC is obvious. Cal is always tough and will be better this year than last year. Oregon will be good as always too, and IMO will upset Michigan early on.
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Southern Cal's schedule is harder than LSU's this season. I don't know what Les Miles is thinking about or why he even decided to chime in. LSU has 3 or 4 hard games at most, all at home. USC has a ton of hard road games and a few hard ones at home too. @ Cal, @ Nebraska, @ Notre Dame, @ Oregon. 4 (potentially) top 25 teams on the road. Plus UCLA and Or. St at home, two teams that beat the Trojans last year. I'm no USC fan (ASU 'til I die) but that's a pretty damn hard schedule. I wouldn't trade LSU's schedule for USC's if I was Les Miles. I know the SEC has lots of solid teams, but they have divisions and not all the top teams play each other. In the Pac-10 everyone has to play each other, no avoiding the best teams. LSU doesn't have to play Tennessee and Georgia this year unless it's in the championship game. So Les Miles is wrong here and he comes across as pretty ignorant.
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In the Pac-10, I always root for the underdog, but I'm never right as you can see. I will be a Cal fan for life! My favorite team in the conference right now is Oregon.
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Everyone knows rivals and scout have a southern bias in the recruiting department. So the whole star ranking system is good, but not great.

The SEC is the deepest conference, but never the most topheavy.

The big 10 and Pac 10 are more topheavy in terms of the overall talent on the top level teams. Only LSU and florida can match talentwise with OSU, Michigan, and USC.

Furthermore, SEC teams make it a habit to play terrible OOC teams. Lots of d1aa teams and such, so I dont buy into it tooo much.

Furthermore, when you try to throw the "Florida killed OSU tidbit" stop talking. The Big Ten went 3-1 vs the sec during the bowl season. They won the big one, but a piece of crap PSU team beat Tennessee, "Average" Wisconsin beat both Auburn at one of their best, and Arkansas the last two years. SEC is the best conference because there are more good teams, but not the overall top end talent IMO.

how did u come to the conclusion that the pac 10 had more talent then the SEC?
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A better question would be why Les still has a job. He's had what can easily be considered the most talented team in the conference if not the country and they chronically underachieve.

But back on topic, this entire topic is basically comparing the other conferences now. Nobody is going to make the argument that the Pac10 is better than the SEC, but I would take the Pac 10 over the ACC, Big10, Big 12 or Big East this coming year. But most years, its a legitmate argument to have the Pac10 as the 3rd or 4th best conference.
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A better question would be why Les still has a job. He's had what can easily be considered the most talented team in the conference if not the country and they chronically underachieve.
Lmao are you serious? His first year here he had a Sophmore QB, Hurricane Katrina, and a hard-ass schedule. They went 11-2, destroying good team after good team. His second year he went to a BSC bowl and blows out Notre Dame. Underachieving? Hell no, this man is a damn fine HC.
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Lmao are you serious? His first year here he had a Sophmore QB, Hurricane Katrina, and a hard-ass schedule. They went 11-2, destroying good team after good team. His second year he went to a BSC bowl and blows out Notre Dame. Underachieving? Hell no, this man is a damn fine HC.
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back to back 11 win seasons is underachieveing?

2005 would've probably been totally different if not for Katrina. 2006 had way too many tough road games, and the team lost a good deal of talent.
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Lmao are you serious? His first year here he had a Sophmore QB, Hurricane Katrina, and a hard-ass schedule. They went 11-2, destroying good team after good team. His second year he went to a BSC bowl and blows out Notre Dame. Underachieving? Hell no, this man is a damn fine HC.
No hes an average coach at best.He inherited a very talented team and has won with them.
Before when he was coach at OSU his teams were a little bit above average.They were nothing special and neither is Miles.
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WHo cares everybody knows ND is overated.IT wasnt at all a good matchup.ND shouldnt have been put in a BCS bowl the past two years in the first place.
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In his defense, hes been recruiting really well. This year I think we'll see what hes all about, since most of Saban's players are starting to get outnumbered with his.
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11 wins is fine if you're a Cal or Oklahoma State, but we're talking about a team that easily has the talent to win the title every year. 11 wins is underachieving for this squad considering they aren't in the hunt for the national championship late in the season under Les.

Granted he's only been there 2 years and had to deal with Katrina and that situation his first year, but honestly, you're talking about a squad that is filled with 1st round NFL talent.
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I think expecting him to win the national title last year would've been a stretch too. You can't expect to go into Auburn, Florida, Tennessee, and Arkansas and come out 4-0.
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Everyone knows rivals and scout have a southern bias in the recruiting department. So the whole star ranking system is good, but not great.

The SEC is the deepest conference, but never the most topheavy.

The big 10 and Pac 10 are more topheavy in terms of the overall talent on the top level teams. Only LSU and florida can match talentwise with OSU, Michigan, and USC.

Furthermore, SEC teams make it a habit to play terrible OOC teams. Lots of d1aa teams and such, so I dont buy into it tooo much.

Furthermore, when you try to throw the "Florida killed OSU tidbit" stop talking. The Big Ten went 3-1 vs the sec during the bowl season. They won the big one, but a piece of crap PSU team beat Tennessee, "Average" Wisconsin beat both Auburn at one of their best, and Arkansas the last two years. SEC is the best conference because there are more good teams, but not the overall top end talent IMO.

um judgin from the championship game OSU couldnt beat lakeland high...michigan was bout as overrated an notre dame...michigan played 2 tems last year an got beat by both...to say the SEC isnt topheavy is redundant...any given year FL,GA,TN,ARK,LSU,AL could win the SEC.....In the BIG 10/11 its always gonna be either OSU or MICH..PAC-10 is always USC an...BIG 12 is always either OU or UT...so rethink your not so smart statement
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um judgin from the championship game OSU couldnt beat lakeland high...michigan was bout as overrated an notre dame...michigan played 2 tems last year an got beat by both...to say the SEC isnt topheavy is redundant...any given year FL,GA,TN,ARK,LSU,AL could win the SEC.....In the BIG 10/11 its always gonna be either OSU or MICH..PAC-10 is always USC an...BIG 12 is always either OU or UT...so rethink your not so smart statement
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From what I could decipher, Ohio State had a bad national title game, there's no denying that. I'm pretty sure Ohio State could beat Lakeland High considering they ran show in the Big 10. Glad to see one bowl game makes people forget about the first 12 again. Michigan beat Wisconsin by 2 touchdowns who beat your darling SEC squad Arkansas, so to call them overrated is a stretch. Michigan lost to Ohio State by 3 points. Do you really think that Florida would beat Ohio State 41-14 or whatever the hell it was every single time? No. The Buckeyes played an awful game without their second best RECEIVER and best returner and if Chris Wells gets that 4th and 1, we're looking at a whole different ball game. I also don't think the OSU O-line could play a worse game the next time around if they tried to. The SEC is the best conference in the country, there's no doubting this. However, let's not make every team in there out to be the second coming of the '72 Dolphins. By the way Arkansas has not won the SEC since 1989 so I wouldn't throw them in the discussion. Oh and since 1999 7 Big 10 teams have won at least a share of the conference title, so there goes another point.

By comparison, in that same time period 5 different teams (Nebraska, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Texas and Colorado) have won the Big 12 title, making another one of your points irrelevant. As far as the Pac-10 goes, 7 different teams have held at least a share of the conference title. Please try not to be so uneducated when posting something.
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I missed gstock05's point about the Big 10 being 3-1 vs. the SEC. Toss that into my lengthy post too.
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"The Pac-10 compiled a stellar mark of 25-12 (.676) against non-conference foes. The Pac-10 finished 10-7 in games against BCS teams from automatic qualifying conferences. In non-conference matchups against Top 25 foes, the Pac-10 was an excellent 6-7 and in non-conference matchups where both teams were ranked, the Pac-10 held a 5-1 advantage."
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This shows that the Pac-10 should at least be mentioned with Big 10 and the ACC.
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"The Pac-10 compiled a stellar mark of 25-12 (.676) against non-conference foes. The Pac-10 finished 10-7 in games against BCS teams from automatic qualifying conferences. In non-conference matchups against Top 25 foes, the Pac-10 was an excellent 6-7 and in non-conference matchups where both teams were ranked, the Pac-10 held a 5-1 advantage."
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This shows that the Pac-10 should at least be mentioned with Big 10 and the ACC.
This is true, but 6-7 isn't excellent. Sorry.
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What were the other conferences in that stat?
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This is true, but 6-7 isn't excellent. Sorry.
Not my words, and yes when I read that I shook my head.

"non-conference matchups where both teams were ranked, the Pac-10 held a 5-1 advantage"

This is really only excellent stat that was shown in my above post.
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