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Doesn't Baltimore run a 3-4 as well? At least part time.
we run a 4-3, 3-4, 46 and a one linemen set :shock:
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IMO when it comes to not applying any pressure, and doing a satisfactory job in the run game, Denver is second to none.
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IMO when it comes to not applying any pressure, and doing a satisfactory job in the run game, Denver is second to none.
The front 4? The Denver Front 4 is average against the pass, above average against the run. Its your LB core that makes your defense good, not your line.

Im still shocked that Carolina got so many votes. How are they tied with Jacksonville? Jacksonville definately has a better line than Carolina.

Too much manwood for Peppers on this board, seriously.
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IMO when it comes to not applying any pressure, and doing a satisfactory job in the run game, Denver is second to none.
The front 4? The Denver Front 4 is average against the pass, above average against the run. Its your LB core that makes your defense good, not your line.

Im still shocked that Carolina got so many votes. How are they tied with Jacksonville? Jacksonville definately has a better line than Carolina.

Too much manwood for Peppers on this board, seriously.
And to think of what the Panthers fans said about him that sat in front of me last week against the Giants. (It was music to my ears)
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IMO when it comes to not applying any pressure, and doing a satisfactory job in the run game, Denver is second to none.
The front 4? The Denver Front 4 is average against the pass, above average against the run. Its your LB core that makes your defense good, not your line.

Im still shocked that Carolina got so many votes. How are they tied with Jacksonville? Jacksonville definately has a better line than Carolina.

Too much manwood for Peppers on this board, seriously.
He's joking.
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I'd actually say Minnesota is the best, slightly ahead of Jacksonville and Baltimore.

Them and Jacksonville have by far the best DT combo, but the Williams combo complement each other better than Stroud and Henderson.

Edwards, Udeze, James and Scott are a good combo of ends, all of which are young and should become a lot better. Edwards is looking good for a rookie, Scott is doing quite well on passing downs and Udeze looks better on run defence. James has been injured but he has the potential to be a good end, given he was a 1st rounder.

Minnesotas Dline is the main reason why they are only giving up about 60 rushing yards a game, and although their pass defence has been less stellar, I wouldn't blame that on their Dline who do put pressure on the QB.
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well when Erasmus comes back that should help our ends but who knows how well he plays when he comes back? Also Pat Williams is probably our best Defensive Player and yet he is old and bound to be gone soon, we need a replacement. Maybe we could be the best in 2 years but not now.
Kenechi Udeze is garbage, and you have really no idea if James will be very good either.

I agree the DT's are at the very least the second best tandum in the league though.
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I agree that the Panthers front 4 is fairly over-rated...they have the big names and can be dominant...

but in the games I saw they disappear for LARGE stretches at a time...yes even Peppers..

maybe it's the offenses inability to keep the Defense off the field as long (one of worst 3rd down conversion rates in the NFL) but their D-line has only had 1 truly dominating game this year...and that was the 15-0 shutout of St.Louis...when they had Bynum and Morton at CB.
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Doesn't Baltimore run a 3-4 as well? At least part time.
We've started the last few games in a 3-4.


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It's between Jacksonville and Baltimore, no one else even comes close.
It's a 3-4 scheme so they don't mentioned very often, but I don't know if I'd want anyone besides Igor Olshansky, Jamal Williams, and Luis Castillo. They are all absolute beasts, and a big reason why our linebackers get to fly around all day.
I was thinking the same thing. Williams is the best interior defensive lineman in the league. But when comparing 3-4 and 4-3 fronts, it's just comparing apples and oranges because the roles are so different. You'd have to make two seperate polls....best 4-3 line and best 3-4 line.
I think the Patriots have an argument for best 3-4 DL. It is close though.
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I agree that the Panthers front 4 is fairly over-rated...they have the big names and can be dominant...

but in the games I saw they disappear for LARGE stretches at a time...yes even Peppers..

maybe it's the offenses inability to keep the Defense off the field as long (one of worst 3rd down conversion rates in the NFL) but their D-line has only had 1 truly dominating game this year...and that was the 15-0 shutout of St.Louis...when they had Bynum and Morton at CB.
You really need to do some watching of games chief, that front four is dominant until about half way through the third qtr when exhaustion sets in.

Carolina leads the league in sending opponents to three and out... THAT is a direct result of the defensive line, the offense isn't holding up its end of the bargain. Jenkins and Kemoeatu are as good as any tandem in the league, Peppers alone puts them in jacksonville territory let alone rucker as well.

As for Pep disappearing, that's ********, he's got two or three guys on him every play of every series. Even then he's almost always held, if the officials took their eyes off the QBs and watched the line like they should, they'd call it a lot more.

That's something all teams are having problems with, a lot of other fouls are being missed because officials are watching QBs, not the rest of the play.
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I agree that the Panthers front 4 is fairly over-rated...they have the big names and can be dominant...

but in the games I saw they disappear for LARGE stretches at a time...yes even Peppers..

maybe it's the offenses inability to keep the Defense off the field as long (one of worst 3rd down conversion rates in the NFL) but their D-line has only had 1 truly dominating game this year...and that was the 15-0 shutout of St.Louis...when they had Bynum and Morton at CB.
You really need to do some watching of games chief, that front four is dominant until about half way through the third qtr when exhaustion sets in.

Carolina leads the league in sending opponents to three and out... THAT is a direct result of the defensive line, the offense isn't holding up its end of the bargain. Jenkins and Kemoeatu are as good as any tandem in the league, Peppers alone puts them in jacksonville teritory let alone rucker as well.
The problem I have with your line is the fact that they disappear for long periods of time. They can be unstoppable one game, then very average the next.

Peppers is a perfect example of this. At the beginning of the year he was on fire and everyone was sucking him off. Since then he's been very quiet and so has the manwood. I think its an elite line, just not the best. I put Baltimore and Jacksonville ahead of them.

I also don't know if Jenkins is the same Jenkins of 3 years ago. He just doesn't have the explosion that he used to, thus making him overrated by many. Rucker is getting older, and Kemeatu is great, but overall I think the line as a whole is fairly overrated.
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Doesn't Baltimore run a 3-4 as well? At least part time.
We've started the last few games in a 3-4.


DE- Trevor Pryce
DT- Kelly Gregg
DE- Haloti Ngata

OLB Terrell Suggs
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OLB Adalius Thomas
That's what makes the Ravens D so good. You can use that 3-4 look, and in the basic 4-3 look you can go

DE- Pryce
DT- Ngata
DT- Gregg
DE- Suggs

OLB- Scott
MLB- Lewis
OLB- Thomas

And if you want to get more of a pure pass rush, you can put Trevor Pryce inside at the 3-tech, pair him with Ngata, and then put Adalius at DE with Suggs. There's so much versatility in their front 7 that it's almost unreal.
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The Jaguars probably have the best pure 4-3 line, but the Ravens d-line is right up there wether they line up in 3-4 or 4-3 or a 46.
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