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Old 07-06-2007, 09:28 AM    (permalink
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I know you guys might be joking, but Jim Sorgi's stats are actually pretty good. I'd be anxious to see how he'd do in the starting role, perhaps if he were traded or something, hell he has better stats than Schaub.

In the last 3 regular season games that Sorgi has thrown a pass in (a total of 86 passes in those games, which is a fair sample considering he has only thrown 90 passes in his carreer) he has had a QB rating of 110.1, 103.8, and 94.7 (against the Broncos, Seahawks, and Cardinals). In his career he has a 5 to 1 TD ratio.

Jim Sorgi Carreer Stats (90 attempts)
99.3 QB Rating
65.6% completion rate
5 TDs, 1 INT

Not bad for someone with no experience on the field, and basicly in his rookie year.
Like I said, get rid of that scmuck Manning and put the real QB in the game. However, it may not be fair to the rest of the league to do something like that so keep Sorgi on the bench. We want to give the teams a chance don't we? ;)
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Old 07-06-2007, 10:35 AM    (permalink
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I disagree with #2 and #5 the most.

The Falcons wouldn't have won 3 games last season without Vick as our QB. Schaub never won a game for us, he kept us in them, but he never won one because why? OUR TEAM is weak...
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Old 07-06-2007, 11:23 AM    (permalink
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No disrespect to Antonio Gates as I think he is a great player but there is no way a tight end is more indespensable than the majority of quarterbacks in the NFL. I find it amazing the list didn't include Drew Brees. Without Drew Brees the Saints wouldn't have won five games last year.
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Hey 255979119, should I go around negative repping anyone who calls Manning a choker or a regular season QB? It's my opinion, get over it. If you want to argue it, that's fine, but giving negative rep for an opinion is pretty weak.
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Panthers' offense would have been dead last in the NFL if Steve Smith wasn't there. He opens the offense up to do what little damage it can with it's pathetic play calling. Without him they can't get past anyone. 19 total points in the Panthers' first two games without Smith, Delhomme threw no touchdowns and a pick.
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I know you guys might be joking, but Jim Sorgi's stats are actually pretty good. I'd be anxious to see how he'd do in the starting role, perhaps if he were traded or something, hell he has better stats than Schaub.

In the last 3 regular season games that Sorgi has thrown a pass in (a total of 86 passes in those games, which is a fair sample considering he has only thrown 90 passes in his carreer) he has had a QB rating of 110.1, 103.8, and 94.7 (against the Broncos, Seahawks, and Cardinals). In his career he has a 5 to 1 TD ratio.

Jim Sorgi Carreer Stats (90 attempts)
99.3 QB Rating
65.6% completion rate
5 TDs, 1 INT

Not bad for someone with no experience on the field, and basicly in his rookie year.
Never judge a guy based on two extended cameos (i.e. 3 quarters or so of player per game). He still has a noodle arm, waning accuracy and poor fundamentals. He's really a game manager at best.

Though of course, Jim Sorgi did build Rome in a day.
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LJ ... oh you said LT? haha my bad
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This is a filthy lie. Jim Sorgi can throw a ball further than even "Gunslinger" Brett Favre and like someone said earlier, the Colts only play with Peyton because if Sorgi played, it wouldn't be fair to the other teams as Sorgi would average 550 yards and 8 TD per. Hence, the NFL doesn't want such embarassment.

I think Vick at #7 is a mistake there too. I just don't think he's that important to the team. Sorry, but even an average QB could hit 53.8% of his passes. His 1.36:1 TD/INT ratio isn't exactly scorching up the stats either. I know he's a valuable rusher, but so are Warrick Dunn and Jerious Norwood, and they're not playing QB.
How dare you interfere with the undying lovefest for Vick on this board.
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Though of course, Jim Sorgi did build Rome in a day.
Quit exaggerating...it didn't take him a full day.
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Never judge a guy based on two extended cameos (i.e. 3 quarters or so of player per game). He still has a noodle arm, waning accuracy and poor fundamentals. He's really a game manager at best.
Blasphemy. Jim Sorgi can throw a football from his own end zone to the opposing teams end zone... laying down.
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Blasphemy. Jim Sorgi can throw a football from his own end zone to the opposing teams end zone... laying down.
...and blindfolded with the entire team distracting him.
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...and blindfolded with the entire team distracting him.
...after traveling back in time and building Rome earlier in the day.
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Jim Sorgi's arm is a licensed weapon in 47 States. So by law he is required to only throw at half power. The last receiver that tried to catch a football from Jim Sorgi thrown at full speed had his hands taken straight off and suffered graze wounds to his body.
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The South went six games under .500 against non NFC South opponents. That's a pretty bad showing, and the Falcons were beaten badly both times they played the Saints. I don't think Atlanta is better without Vick, but they could be just bad enough to the point where having Vick wouldn't really make much of a difference.
Every team in the NFC South has potential for a .500+ record. Even Tampa due to improved trenches, improvement on defense, and steady players at QB and RB. Not many other divisions do that.

You make us sound horrible. We might not be great in recent years but we are average at least. 26-22 the past 3 seasons, 15-26 the past two seasons. Average. Without Vick we would have top 5 picks every year, just look at our record without him.
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Every team in the NFC South has potential for a .500+ record. Even Tampa due to improved trenches, improvement on defense, and steady players at QB and RB. Not many other divisions do that.

You make us sound horrible. We might not be great in recent years but we are average at least. 26-22 the past 3 seasons, 15-26 the past two seasons. Average. Without Vick we would have top 5 picks every year, just look at our record without him.
This man speaks the truth the last 5 years every team in the NFC South has been to the NFC championship game. Bucs in 2002 and SB winner, Panthers in 2003 and SB participants, Falcons in 2004, Panthers again in 2005, and Saints recently in 2006.

You can count on at least 1 team from the south going deep in the playoffs every year and the division is always super competitive the games are close.
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This man speaks the truth the last 5 years every team in the NFC South has been to the NFC championship game. Bucs in 2002 and SB winner, Panthers in 2003 and SB participants, Falcons in 2004, Panthers again in 2005, and Saints recently in 2006.

You can count on at least 1 team from the south going deep in the playoffs every year and the division is always super competitive the games are close.
I like to think that injuries are the deciding factor each year. The Saints didn't lose any key players last year, while Carolina and Atlanta did, that's why they were 11-5 and the aforementioned other teams were around the .500 mark.
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I like to think that injuries are the deciding factor each year. The Saints didn't lose any key players last year, while Carolina and Atlanta did, that's why they were 11-5 and the aforementioned other teams were around the .500 mark.
I'd like to think that the Saints are a good team and that's why they were 11-5.
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I'd like to think that the Saints are a good team and that's why they were 11-5.
Weren't the Saints 10-6?
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Weren't the Saints 10-6?
Yeah, I was making a point

Should have been 11-5 our 2nd and 3rd team played the Panthers last game of the season.
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Weren't the Saints 10-6?
Good enough for the Bye in the NFC, and not even guaranteed a wildcard in the AFC.
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Good enough for the Bye in the NFC, and not even guaranteed a wildcard in the AFC.
Is anyone even saying the NFL is better than the AFC? So no need for making comments like that.
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The simple fact that Gates is #5 makes this list worthless.

Gates is a great player, no doubt, but without him the Chargers are still a very good team.

Carson Palmer should be MUCH higher. He is the savior for the franchise that was a punch line of many jokes for a long time.
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The simple fact that Gates is #5 makes this list worthless.

Gates is a great player, no doubt, but without him the Chargers are still a very good team.

Carson Palmer should be MUCH higher. He is the savior for the franchise that was a punch line of many jokes for a long time.
Agreed. Manning is hands down #1, Brady #2 and Palmer #3. We would be rough to watch without him. TJ/CJ/Rudi/Willie Anderson/Levi Jones can all go down and we can recover but not Carson.
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If you had to go team by team it would be alot more interesting.

NFC North

Packers - Favre
Vikings - Adrian Peterson??? I have no idea who to put for them, maybe Sharper?
Bears - Benson on O because they don't really have anyone behind him and Grossman hasn't really proven that if they lose him they're scerwed. Urlacher on D.
Lions - Roy Williams

NFC East

Eagles - McNabb
Cowboys - Romo (No one behind him.)
Giants - Strahan? Maybe Eli.
Redskins - Portis? Betts stepped in last year and did decent, so I'm not sure. Maybe Sean Taylor.

NFC West

Seahawks - Alexander
Rams - Bulger
49'rs - Gore
Cardinals - Boldin/Fitzgerald you pick.

NFC South

Saints - Brees
Falcons - Vick
Panthers - S.Smith
Buc's - Cadillac

AFC West

Chargers - LT
Chiefs - LJ
Broncos - Cutler or Bailey.
Raiders - Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hh??? Ashumunga? (I don't remember how to spell his name.)

AFC North

Browns - Kellen Winslow
Bengals - Palmer
Ravens - McNair (Boller is behind him... Boller...)
Steelers - Willie Parker

AFC South

Titans - Vince Young
Colts - Peyton Manning
Jaguars - Byron Leftwich (When healthy hes a good QB.)
Texans - Matt Schaub, I can't believe I'm saying that.

AFC East

Patriots - Brady
Jets - Pennington
Dolphins - Ronnie Brown
Bills - Losman.

People can argue for others but that's my list.
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