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Old 07-06-2007, 04:32 PM    (permalink
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After reading some responses I am convinced LJ is #1. back to back 1700 rushing yards with no receivers and switching QB's.

They still made the playoffs.
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Old 07-06-2007, 04:34 PM    (permalink
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The Falcons look like one of those boom or bust teams right now. I guess the other mediocre teams in their division make them look better than they really are, but if they fall to 5-11 or something like that, it likely wouldn't matter who is playing QB at that point. The team in general doesn't look very good and that includes Vick.
the team looks just fien to me... the DL looks liek it could possibly dominate with Grady Jackson, Rod Coleman, John Abraham and Jamaal Anderson. the linebackers are solid at worst with Keith Brooking, Michael Boley and Demorrio Williams. our secondary doesn't suck anymore with Jimmy Williams, Lawyer Milloy, DeAngelo Hall and Chris Houston. Our OL can actually eat now and isn't a bunch of 280 pounders anymore. the only OL now that's under 300 is the 298 pound Todd McClure. add in that we still have the talented RB's, TE, FB positions. WR is a work in progress btu has a **** ton of potential. the team looks very good on defense right now. but on offense there are some question marks. especially at QB, WR and OL.
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Old 07-06-2007, 04:43 PM    (permalink
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If you had to go team by team it would be alot more interesting.

NFC North

Packers - Favre
Vikings - Adrian Peterson??? I have no idea who to put for them, maybe Sharper?
Bears - Benson on O because they don't really have anyone behind him and Grossman hasn't really proven that if they lose him they're scerwed. Urlacher on D.
Lions - Roy Williams
I disagree with Favre, 3+ years ago yeah if we lost him it'd hurt more than any other player but not now. I'd put Kampman, Driver, Harris, and Woodson before Favre for most indispensible.

Vikings is a tough one, I guess I'd say Winfield. Bears it's Urlacher, without him their defense would be good but no where near elite. For the Lions Roy is their best player but they have CJ and Furrey still behind him, so I'll say Sims
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Old 07-06-2007, 04:47 PM    (permalink
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I disagree with #7 the most. They'd be better without him. Also disagree with #5, they could still win 10 games without him.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...t&lid=tab1pos1

Wow. Wow wow wow. Why not actually look at their record with and without Vick since he's been in the league?

Oh, right, you'd look like an ass.
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Old 07-06-2007, 04:52 PM    (permalink
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Wow. Wow wow wow. Why not actually look at their record with and without Vick since he's been in the league?

Oh, right, you'd look like an ass.
The offense is run differently when Vick was in than when Schaub was in. Vick could make plays with his feet. Schaub has mobility, not close to Vick.

Take Vick out of the game and insert anyone else in and the playcalling changes.

Vick is overrated year in and year out.
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The offense is run differently when Vick was in than when Schaub was in. Vick could make plays with his feet. Schaub has mobility, not close to Vick.

Take Vick out of the game and insert anyone else in and the playcalling changes.

Vick is overrated year in and year out.

So you're saying when Vick has been injured, the coaching staff didn't change the gameplan at all? It's not like he went out during the game and someone got tossed in. There were months at a time where he was out.

Give me a break, what is with people and being so goddamn ignorant today.
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The offense is run differently when Vick was in than when Schaub was in. Vick could make plays with his feet. Schaub has mobility, not close to Vick.

Take Vick out of the game and insert anyone else in and the playcalling changes.

Vick is overrated year in and year out.
The playcalling changes? No duh. You still didn't dispell anything he said.

Our record is horrible without Vick. Enough said.
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The offense is run differently when Vick was in than when Schaub was in. Vick could make plays with his feet. Schaub has mobility, not close to Vick.

Take Vick out of the game and insert anyone else in and the playcalling changes.

Vick is overrated year in and year out.
The offense is run better when Vick is in, because he is a better player. Change the playcalling, and it doesn't matter, the only way it gets better is if they get a better player at QB. But since the Falcons don't have that, and its been shown how bad they play without him, Vick is the most indispensable on that team. It's not like Schaub took over and they kept a running QB mentality.

Unless you really, truly believe that Harrington is better then him, in which case, there's not much that can be said to change your mind, but thats an ignorant statement.
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the team looks just fien to me... the DL looks liek it could possibly dominate with Grady Jackson, Rod Coleman, John Abraham and Jamaal Anderson. the linebackers are solid at worst with Keith Brooking, Michael Boley and Demorrio Williams. our secondary doesn't suck anymore with Jimmy Williams, Lawyer Milloy, DeAngelo Hall and Chris Houston. Our OL can actually eat now and isn't a bunch of 280 pounders anymore. the only OL now that's under 300 is the 298 pound Todd McClure. add in that we still have the talented RB's, TE, FB positions. WR is a work in progress btu has a **** ton of potential. the team looks very good on defense right now. but on offense there are some question marks. especially at QB, WR and OL.
We have some strengths but a ton of holes.

Weak spots (potentially)...

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and maybe LB depth, although it has improved


We have young players at almost every position who could step up, but that is why I said (potentially).
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The offense is run better when Vick is in, because he is a better player. Change the playcalling, and it doesn't matter, the only way it gets better is if they get a better player at QB. But since the Falcons don't have that, and its been shown how bad they play without him, Vick is the most indispensable on that team. It's not like Schaub took over and they kept a running QB mentality.

Unless you really, truly believe that Harrington is better then him, in which case, there's not much that can be said to change your mind, but thats an ignorant statement.
I never said Harrington is better.

He isn't s better player, and Vick isn't a significantly better QB.

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So you're saying when Vick has been injured, the coaching staff didn't change the gameplan at all?
No, I didn't say that at all. Read the damn post.

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No, I didn't say that at all. Read the damn post.
Well, I have no idea what you're defending your opinion with, then. Just admit you're wrong. It's all good.
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I never said Harrington is better.

He isn't s better player, and Vick isn't a significantly better QB.
Yes, but if you don't think Harrington is better, which he certainly isn't, then that means they are going to take a huge step back if Vick gets hurt, making him very indispensable. If Schaub couldn't win games for the Falcons, how can Harrington, who couldn't win games for anyone really.

Overrated or not, the Falcons cannot afford to lose Vick, he is the team, or at least the offense.
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If you had to go team by team it would be alot more interesting.

Eagles - McNabb
I love McNabb but there's no way he'd take it over Brian Westbrook or Brian Dawkins. Look at how AJ Feeley and Jeff Garcia did well in the Philly system as long as they had Westbrook in there, They weren't as good as McNabb but they were still able to win games because Westbrook runs our offense. Dawkins, well he's just the heart and soul of the team.
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Yes, but if you don't think Harrington is better, which he certainly isn't, then that means they are going to take a huge step back if Vick gets hurt, making him very indispensable. If Schaub couldn't win games for the Falcons, how can Harrington, who couldn't win games for anyone really.

Overrated or not, the Falcons cannot afford to lose Vick, he is the team, or at least the offense.
I still don't think he should be on the list at all.
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I still don't think he should be on the list at all.
Okay, I don't really get why, without him the Falcons have little shot at doing anything, but if thats your opinion so be it.
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Okay, I don't really get why, without him the Falcons have little shot at doing anything, but if thats your opinion so be it.
I agree. He's wrong, but if someone wants to think something, you can't really do anything about it.
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The offense is run differently when Vick was in than when Schaub was in. Vick could make plays with his feet. Schaub has mobility, not close to Vick.

Take Vick out of the game and insert anyone else in and the playcalling changes.

Vick is overrated year in and year out.

You honestly have no idea, do you? Take a quick look at the Falcons record without Vick playing.
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You honestly have no idea, do you? Take a quick look at the Falcons record without Vick playing.
That was already said, and he already ignored it. I advise giving up, because you're fighting a losing battle. You can't convince somebody of something to think something they don't want to think.
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I'd like to think that the Saints are a good team and that's why they were 11-5.
If the Saints lost Charles Grant and Will Smith, like the Falcons lost Abraham and Kerney, I doubt they would have been 10-6..
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Drew Brees Should be high on this list.

Who is his back up?
I wanted to say it. I was going to be called a homer though.
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I disagree with #7 the most. They'd be better without him. Also disagree with #5, they could still win 10 games without him.

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nah I cant disagree with Vick. His dissapointing play the last couple years has been a big reason why the Falcons never became the contender they were supposed to be. But he is the franchise player and he is vital to their success. The Falcons will not be a contender until Vick elevates his game or they move on to another QB. On draft day they put their eggs in a basket getting Vick, who was supposed to revolutionize the game and we all know hes been spectacular and dissapointing at the same time, but the Falcons still have their eggs in the Vick basket, as they realize that he is probably the greatest talent the NFL has ever seen and they invested a lot in him and need to see it through.
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Yea tho I gotta say that the Gates pick is just stupid. The writer outsmarted himself with the whole they can afford to lose LT b/c of Turner thoughtline. LT was the MVP for a reason and beyond that as good as Gates is, no TE is among the top 5 most indispensible players in the league, because its not that important of a position, even in schemes like the chiefs and chargers where the TE is the go-to guy in the passing game. The Chargers offense, with Rivers, Turner, Rivers, Jackson, rookie Craig Davis, good OL, it would still be one of the most potent in the NFL without Gates. And they got a pretty good TE in the draft so with Chandler and Manumaluena they have some pretty decent backups at TE. Theres just so many guys who are much more indispensible, even if they aren't as surprising picks as Gates...If I was gonna make a surprise pick though it would be Reggie Bush. Sure, Colston, Deuce and Brees put up big numbers but I feel that without Bush' playmaking ability that Saints offense just wouldnt be nearly the same, even when he doesnt touch the ball, he has a dominating presence in games and if not for him I think DCs would be able to stop the Saints offense.

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Not really. Jamie Martin is.... well Jamie Martin.
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I agree with #1.No LJ= KC being screwed LJ is the most valuable member on the team
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