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Old 07-08-2007, 03:02 PM    (permalink
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Heath Miller could have a huge year. We have seen him make so big plays and we have been hearing about him being used as a reciever more. I don't know about top 5 in the league because there are still guys like Gates, Gonzo, Shockey, Heap, and Crumpler that have been good for many years but I think Miller will be top 10 in most people's minds by the end of the season.
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Well Dawan did have a better season then them, but its tough to put a 2nd year player ahead of them.
I sure hope he'd have a better season than a guy who only played in four regular season games.
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Heath Miller could have a huge year. We have seen him make so big plays and we have been hearing about him being used as a reciever more. I don't know about top 5 in the league because there are still guys like Gates, Gonzo, Shockey, Heap, and Crumpler that have been good for many years but I think Miller will be top 10 in most people's minds by the end of the season.
even though he hasnt been used much,i think he is a top 10 in peoples minds...all he lacks is speed,if he had that hed be top 5..hes a heap clone imo
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Pete Prisco's mancrush on Fred Taylor is almost as bad as Jason Whitlock's mancrush for Jeff George.
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I would really really like to hear him justify at least putting Landry over Kerry Rhodes... Rhodes put up better numbers with a much lesser supporting cast.
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Fred Talor as the 5th best back?????

Good to see Kampman get some props
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the fred taylor thing was quite the shock, what a silly name to throw up there. As for jason whitlock, Jeff george isnt the only mancrush he has, donnie edwards is one of his favorites as well...
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The fact that Pete Prisco ranks himself in the top 5.7 billion people on planet earth makes this list unreliable.
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Notables missing from lists:

Clinton Portis - Yes, he was hurt for most of last season, but he's better than Fred Taylor (then again, that's just Prisco showing the Jags homer in himself).
Jeff Saturday - Seriously, not a Top 5 C?
Orlando Pace - Again, hurt last year, but arguably the best active LT of the past decade (Roaf is retired now).
Aaron Schobel - He's always overlooked. At the very least, he's better than Will Smith and Alex Brown.
Tommie Harris - Seymour should be listed at DE, and at the very least, he's vastly superior to Trevor Pryce, who also plays mostly DE.
Zach Thomas - I'd take him at least for next year over Pierce at least, probably Vilma too given the scheme he's trapped in, which doesn't suit him at all.
Asante Samuel - Better than any of the last 3 CBs listed. (including "Next Best")
Bob Sanders - Better than any of the last 4 Ss listed. (including "Next Best")
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No, I'm pretty sure he runs Hades.
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Clinton Portis - Yes, he was hurt for most of last season, but he's better than Fred Taylor (then again, that's just Prisco showing the Jags homer in himself).
Jeff Saturday - Seriously, not a Top 5 C?
Orlando Pace - Again, hurt last year, but arguably the best active LT of the past decade (Roaf is retired now).
Aaron Schobel - He's always overlooked. At the very least, he's better than Will Smith and Alex Brown.
Tommie Harris - Seymour should be listed at DE, and at the very least, he's vastly superior to Trevor Pryce, who also plays mostly DE.
Zach Thomas - I'd take him at least for next year over Pierce at least, probably Vilma too given the scheme he's trapped in, which doesn't suit him at all.
Asante Samuel - Better than any of the last 3 CBs listed. (including "Next Best")
Bob Sanders - Better than any of the last 4 Ss listed. (including "Next Best")
Sanders is better than Landry

Saturday IMO is the best center in the league

I agree with what you said about Harris and Seymour

Thomas never gets any credit

Samuel is good but not top 5 yet. I was looking for Nnamdi Asomugha over Dunta.
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Steven Jackson at #4?

Ben Watson over Todd Heap?

Where in the blue hell is Terrell Suggs?
That is where he should be. I agree with the top 4, but Taylor should not be on the top 5 running backs. Alexander should be #5. 3 of the top 5 running backs in the NFL are in the NFC west in my book.
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That is where he should be. I agree with the top 4, but Taylor should not be on the top 5 running backs. Alexander should be #5. 3 of the top 5 running backs in the NFL are in the NFC west in my book.
Steven Jackson > Frank Gore

Its not a contest, Jackson is a dual threat ala the mold of Roger Craig and Marshall Faulk.
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Any RB with Jackson's size, power and hands should be behind only LT.
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Clinton Portis - Yes, he was hurt for most of last season, but he's better than Fred Taylor (then again, that's just Prisco showing the Jags homer in himself).
Jeff Saturday - Seriously, not a Top 5 C?
Orlando Pace - Again, hurt last year, but arguably the best active LT of the past decade (Roaf is retired now).
Aaron Schobel - He's always overlooked. At the very least, he's better than Will Smith and Alex Brown.
Tommie Harris - Seymour should be listed at DE, and at the very least, he's vastly superior to Trevor Pryce, who also plays mostly DE.
Zach Thomas - I'd take him at least for next year over Pierce at least, probably Vilma too given the scheme he's trapped in, which doesn't suit him at all.
Asante Samuel - Better than any of the last 3 CBs listed. (including "Next Best")
Bob Sanders - Better than any of the last 4 Ss listed. (including "Next Best")
Portis - is becoming injury plagued since leaving Denver, so him being left out is reasonable.

Saturday - probably should be top 3 but may be a product of that system so hence his exclusion. Realistically he should be there.

Pace - missed most of the season and that was a determining factor in the list.

Schobel - plays for a bad team, that will always hurt you.

Harris - again hurt for a portion of the season, see Pace reasoning.

Thomas - he isn't Jason Taylor, so no one in the media knows him.

Samual - good corner, top 10, but can be exploited easily at times.

Sanders - again stay healthy then he can be mention.
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Sanders is better than Landry
At least. I'd have him ahead of everyone but Reed and Dawkins. I'm a fan of Wilson, but no one else on that list turned a mediocre defense into a championship defense merely by their presence alone. I think Reed and Dawkins could, but they've yet to have the oppurtunity to prove it.

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Saturday IMO is the best center in the league
I agree, but I can also see the case for Kreutz. Still, I can't see a legit reason to rank him lower than 2.

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Samuel is good but not top 5 yet. I was looking for Nnamdi Asomugha over Dunta.
I think you're selling Samuel a bit short, but Scrabble is another name that belongs on the list.
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Any RB with Jackson's size, power and hands should be behind only LT.
Nah, LJ is in front of him. U can flip-flop Jackson and Gore, and either way I wouldn't have a problem, I am a Rams after all. But he is defntly in the top 4 with LT, LJ, and Gore.
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Nah, LJ is in front of him. U can flip-flop Jackson and Gore, and either way I wouldn't have a problem, I am a Rams after all. But he is defntly in the top 4 with LT, LJ, and Gore.
LJ does not have the versatility of Jackson. LJ is probably the best pure runner in the league though.
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True, but he also could be the next Jamal Anderson with the workload he's been carrying.
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Portis - is becoming injury plagued since leaving Denver, so him being left out is reasonable.
Other than last year, he played 31 of a possible 32 games for the Redskins, so where you're getting injury prone from is a mystery.

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Pace - missed most of the season and that was a determining factor in the list.
Prior to that, he was one of the most reliable and best LTs in the NFL for nearly a decade.

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Schobel - plays for a bad team, that will always hurt you.
That doesn't make him any less of a player or my point any less valid.

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Harris - again hurt for a portion of the season, see Pace reasoning.
He's still the best UT in the NFL. Kris Jenkins doesn't deserve to be on the list because of injuries. Harris missed 7 games including the playoffs due to injury last year. That's not a valid reason to leave him off IMO.

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Samuel - good corner, top 10, but can be exploited easily at times.
Exploited easily? No more than some of the CBs on the list. Rashean Mathis, for example, is quite prone to playing overagressively and getting burned as a result.

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Sanders - again stay healthy then he can be mention.
He raised the level of play on his defense from mediocre to championship caliber merely by his presence in the lineup. That, IMO, makes him a Top 5 safety at least.
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Other than last year, he played 31 of a possible 32 games for the Redskins, so where you're getting injury prone from is a mystery.



Prior to that, he was one of the most reliable and best LTs in the NFL for nearly a decade.



That doesn't make him any less of a player or my point any less valid.



He's still the best UT in the NFL. Kris Jenkins doesn't deserve to be on the list because of injuries. Harris missed 7 games including the playoffs due to injury last year. That's not a valid reason to leave him off IMO.



Exploited easily? No more than some of the CBs on the list. Rashean Mathis, for example, is quite prone to playing overagressively and getting burned as a result.



He raised the level of play on his defense from mediocre to championship caliber merely by his presence in the lineup. That, IMO, makes him a Top 5 safety at least.

And your opinion, and mine for that matter, means dick when this list was made.
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And your opinion, and mine for that matter, means dick when this list was made.
Well if that's the attitude you have, why did you even bother to respond to my first post?
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Well if that's the attitude you have, why did you even bother to respond to my first post?
Because I stated my reasons, then you rebutted them and so on and so on. Instead of getting into a heated debate about it I choose to just end it before it got out of hand.
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The fact that Landry is on ther above guys like Sanders, Polamalu, and Taylor is just sickening. He played one season on a team stacked with defenders. I'll take a guy like Sanders who completely revitalized his defense, a guy like Polamalu that has been great for several years, and a guy like Taylor who has also been a great safety for years, over a guy with one season under his belt.
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