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Old 07-10-2007, 07:40 PM    (permalink
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I can't say I agree with this at all. The Raiders are in the middle of rebuilding and they already had a solid safety play. Why waste the money on a guy who might not be around when the Raiders will have improved significantly enough to make some real noise around the league?
well its not much money and its a short term deal...I dont think we needed him but if the Raiders believe he can help us this year, it makes sense, it wont hurt our long term plans. As far as money concerns, we need to sign Asomugha and Burgess to extensions but I dont see us going after high profile FAs of any sort in the near future. And I dont think the Darius signing will get in the way of resigning those guys.
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Hellooooo this is because LT destroys them every year. "None of the #1 pass defense in the NFL" can do a thing about that.
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Sapp/Burgess are great leaders on defense but I don't think they are going to help the secondary progress all that much. I personally think this is a great signing. We don't need Darius from a talent standpoint, but I think the intangibles he brings and his ability to stop the run will help us a ton this year. I don't think you can deny that he will have a positive impact on all the young players in our secondary, both on and off the field.
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I can't say I agree with this at all. The Raiders are in the middle of rebuilding and they already had a solid safety play. Why waste the money on a guy who might not be around when the Raiders will have improved significantly enough to make some real noise around the league?
Pssshhh rebuilding? Mr. Davis doesn't have that in his vocabulary.
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Schweigert was apart of the #1 Pass D in the NFL and no he doesn't suck. is he a pro bowl type player? no, but he doesn't suck.
You have to keep in mind that part of the reason you all had the #1 pass D was because when you're trailing all year you aren't going to get passed on very often. They were 18th best in completion percentage and dead last in attempts per game against so there's reasons other than stellar play of the defense. Now I'm not saying your pass D is bad in any way just that being #1 pass D on that team wasn't a big accomplishment.
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You have to keep in mind that part of the reason you all had the #1 pass D was because when you're trailing all year you aren't going to get passed on very often. They were 18th best in completion percentage and dead last in attempts per game against so there's reasons other than stellar play of the defense. Now I'm not saying your pass D is bad in any way just that being #1 pass D on that team wasn't a big accomplishment.
Very good point. Pass defense in terms of total yards allowed is actually one of the most irrelavent stats in football. I did this project a couple years back for statistics class and measured all these statistics and saw what bearing they had on how much a team wins and found that pass defense really had virtually none. And this does have a lot to do with how bad teams dont get passed on in the 2nd half as teams just milk the clock to hold their leads against them and also that teams with poor run D dont get passed on as as much. I better indication statswise of a good pass D is yards per attempt.

But dont get me wrong, the Raiders do have a strong pass D. Fabian Washington and Nmandhi Asumgha make a great young pair of corners, Michael Huff and Schweigert are both good young safeties, we have one of the top pass-rushers in the league with Burgess and hopefully Moses will add to our pass-rush, and Sapp is still one of the top interior rushers in the game. We have athletic LBs who can drop back into coverage (kirk morrison is extremely good dropping back into coverage)

Addiing Darius should help our run D, which wasn't bad but also could use some improvement and yes the veteran leadership.
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Awesome, I love Darius..i always wanted him here. He's going to be solid at the very least. I still believe he has some gas in the tank. This should really help us in run defense as he's good in run support and i also believe he's still decent in coverage.
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I did. My question remains.
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I did. My question remains.
are you sure? cuz the answer was reiterated several times....to help the run D, to bring veteran leadership, to add flexibility to the secondary as we can bring him in as a 4th LB on running downs or a 3rd LB on passing downs, to add depth to the secondary, because Kiffin has ties to him and thinks highly of him and thinks he can bring a lot to the organization, because they were able to sign him pretty cheaply and not to long term deal and they could afford to as they have plenty of cap space and are unlikely to look to make a splash in FA next year(extending Burgess and Asumgha should be the only major moves the Raiders make and they have the cap space to do it). Did the signing fill a major area of need? no, we certainly didnt need to sign a safety, but Darius brings a lot to the table for the Raiders and the more I think about it the more I understand why the Raiders made the move for him.
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are you sure? cuz the answer was reiterated several times....to help the run D, to bring veteran leadership, to add flexibility to the secondary as we can bring him in as a 4th LB on running downs or a 3rd LB on passing downs, to add depth to the secondary, because Kiffin has ties to him and thinks highly of him and thinks he can bring a lot to the organization, because they were able to sign him pretty cheaply and not to long term deal and they could afford to as they have plenty of cap space and are unlikely to look to make a splash in FA next year(extending Burgess and Asumgha should be the only major moves the Raiders make and they have the cap space to do it). Did the signing fill a major area of need? no, we certainly didnt need to sign a safety, but Darius brings a lot to the table for the Raiders and the more I think about it the more I understand why the Raiders made the move for him.
Okay, it may make a lot of sense for the Raiders, but they aren't the only party involved here. I guess Darius doesn't value having a guaranteed starting spot?
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Okay, it may make a lot of sense for the Raiders, but they aren't the only party involved here. I guess Darius doesn't value having a guaranteed starting spot?
yeah I would have to agree, with the price the Raiders got on Darius, I have a hard time seeing why one of the teams who had major problems at the starting safety position didnt make a bid for him.
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I don't know if this signing necessarily indicates that Darius will start. I think there will be a rotation going on here. Perhaps in the nickel, theyll come out with 3 safeties, who knows.

I like this signing. Darius might not have much left in the tank, but at the very least he provides adequate depth (which is never a bad thing) and leadership to a young defense. He's gonna teach these young guys how to play, how to handle the offseason, and think like winners, and thats a big reason why they got him. Young teams need leadership, and adding a classy veteran to mix is not a bad thing.

The Raiders are gonna be a very curious team next year. I still don't have much faith in their offense, but if they can provide at least some help, this team should improve. If Gallery doesn't make a serious commitment to getting back in shape and working on his technique, don't hold out hope of him ever turning it around, whether its LT, RT, or even OG.
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I can see this signing made especially for the nickel formations.. maybe give Huff some play at Nickel CB, have Darius and Schweigert at safeties. In run situations, I'd guess we'd take Stu out and have Darius in, moving him near the box, while having Huff back there.
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I can't say I agree with this at all. The Raiders are in the middle of rebuilding and they already had a solid safety play. Why waste the money on a guy who might not be around when the Raiders will have improved significantly enough to make some real noise around the league?
probably because behind our starters theres no depth.
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