Jacksonville Jaguars Discussion - Page 82

JagHombre22 · 01-09-2008, 09:12 AM

I agree....that the QB that we draft may not be the QB of the future but the QB crop the next couple of seasons is not that good...so I think if we're going to strike for a QB now we need to do it for the future...

leftwich7 · 01-09-2008, 09:35 PM

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Quinn Gray's probably not gonna stick around, true. I don't remember the number and the reason, but the money to keep Gray would be outrageous for a back-up QB. So then we'd definitely need to draft a QB.

Whether he'd be "groomed" is hard to say. Garrard is not young, but he's not "old" either. He still has a good deal of years left until he'd be expected to regress, so a draft QB for the future this year may have to wait awhile.

It is so early to talk about this sort of stuff because the Jags are better suited to look at QB's that will be in the draft two to three years for now. Guys like Mark Sanchez, Ryan Mallett, Justin Roper, Willie Tuitama, Matt Stafford, Jake Locker, Sam Bradford. I have no clue if these guys will be good down the road but you never know.

P.S.-Chad Henne will be a steal

BuckNaked · 01-09-2008, 09:36 PM

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It is so early to talk about this sort of stuff because the Jags are better suited to look at QB's that will be in the draft two to three years for now. Guys like Mark Sanchez, Ryan Mallett, Justin Roper, Willie Tuitama, Matt Stafford, Jake Locker, Sam Bradford. I have no clue if these guys will be good down the road but you never know.

P.S.-Chad Henne will be a steal

I bet this guy was a Leftwich supporter, haha.

JagHombre22 · 01-10-2008, 01:32 AM

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I bet this guy was a Leftwich supporter, haha.

what gave it away....

and no, I don't think Chad Henne will be a steal...he'll be a second rounder...

The Unseen · 01-10-2008, 05:40 AM

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I bet this guy was a Leftwich supporter, haha.

Captain Obvious to the rescue!

leftwich7 · 01-10-2008, 10:06 AM

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I bet this guy was a Leftwich supporter, haha.

I was a Leftwich supporter but when the team went with Garrard I was cautious in supporting him until Week 3 when the jags won at Denver.

but so what if i liked Leftwich, it doesn't matter now

BuckNaked · 01-10-2008, 02:09 PM

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Captain Obvious to the rescue!

I do what I can

JagHombre22 · 01-10-2008, 03:48 PM

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I do what I can

and really, that's all we can ask....

BuckNaked · 01-10-2008, 07:00 PM

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and really, that's all we can ask....

Glad to see i'm an appreciated of the captain obvious club, John Madden would be proud.

The Unseen · 01-12-2008, 03:47 PM

It's storming bad here...plz go away by gametime, plz. k thnx

Hines · 01-12-2008, 04:03 PM

Best of luck tonight. Kick the lil Pansies asses for me please.

The Unseen · 01-12-2008, 09:59 PM

Great season, everyone. Lemme keep it on the up-note and have a season Good-Bad-Ugly

Good

David Garrard. Del Rio with the gutsy call, and it pays off. Had a great year.

Fred Taylor. The man beast returned this year. First Pro Bowl, congrats.

Reggie Williams. Haters be quiet: 10 TDs.

Bad

Overall defense. Defense wasn't bad, but it was less than our normal effort. Had injuries, which goes along with this bad.

Division effort. Have to win it to get anywhere. 2-4 again won't cut it (yes I know the last game was meaningless)

Ugly

Pass defense. Mediocre all year, and bit us in the butt when it counted.

yourfavestoner · 01-12-2008, 10:45 PM

Too conservative on D. The entire game. Way too conservative.

Its Ya Boy · 01-12-2008, 10:48 PM

Mathis played like crap, Northcut dropped a TD pass, i was pissed, there goes the Jags in the super bowl, my friend and i wouldve gone to Arizona if they made it

leftwich7 · 01-12-2008, 10:49 PM

i guess most jags fan got what they expected, play the pats tough for most of the game and then went blitz and got burned by Stallworth. Overall disappointed only with the D. Garrard played great and the team has some things to be really happy about going into next year. Fix that pass D and hopefully keep Mike Smith around. I really don't think Stroud and Peterson make that much of a difference in this game.

Its Ya Boy · 01-12-2008, 10:51 PM

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i guess most jags fan got what they expected, play the pats tough for most of the game and then went blitz and got burned by Stallworth. Overall disappointed only with the D. Garrard played great and the team has some things to be really happy about going into next year. Fix that pass D and hopefully keep Mike Smith around. I really don't think Stroud and Peterson make that much of a difference in this game.

I know peterson wouldnt, however Stroud wouldve at least cause more pressure, i mean for god sakes i thought i was watchin a fatter slower verson of Sam Adams, and thats sayin something(#90 )

HEISMANHERSCHEL · 01-13-2008, 03:32 AM

I really enjoyed the game. I would be proud if I were a Jags fan. I thought they played well, and had a shot at winning. That is a lot more than what most teams did against the pats.

Just wanted to offer my encouragement. Maybe not a great time to do so, but oh well. How many people in the national media would have predicted the Jags to go this deep in the playoffs in the first place?

I think there is a good reason for optimism. Havent got to see Garard play much this year, but I thought he looked good.

And one last thing. I have said this many times and been blasted for it. When healthy, I think Fred Taylor is one of the elite backs to play over the last ten years. Seeing as how yall watch him week in and week out, how much longer can I expect to be watching him on sports highlights? I have a bit of a man crush on him.

The Unseen · 01-13-2008, 06:04 AM

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Too conservative on D. The entire game. Way too conservative.

Mike Smith probably should have called less 3-man fronts, yes. That also may have helped against Maroney's 100-yard performance, something I think we're overlooking here.

But scheme or no, we would not have won this game. Our pass defense has been the achilles heel of this team, and it proved that way tonight. The secondary missed tackles. I think that's crucial, because if they didn't miss tackles, the soft coverage scheme would have worked better; it's one of the basic requirements when you decide to play heavy coverage: TACKLE. The pass rush was non-existant. Yes, that would partially be because of the scheme, but we have not had a good pass rush all year, save Paul Spicer.

Bottom line: we gave the Pats a game with an injury-depleted and talent-depleted unit. We improved on last year by making the playoffs, and winning a road playoff game as a wild card. Next year, we need to improve on that talent, stay a bit more healthy, and win the division. That way we control our own destiny with a home game and not this road game stuff.

JagHombre22 · 01-13-2008, 07:27 AM

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Mike Smith probably should have called less 3-man fronts, yes. That also may have helped against Maroney's 100-yard performance, something I think we're overlooking here.

But scheme or no, we would not have won this game. Our pass defense has been the achilles heel of this team, and it proved that way tonight. The secondary missed tackles. I think that's crucial, because if they didn't miss tackles, the soft coverage scheme would have worked better; it's one of the basic requirements when you decide to play heavy coverage: TACKLE. The pass rush was non-existant. Yes, that would partially be because of the scheme, but we have not had a good pass rush all year, save Paul Spicer.

Bottom line: we gave the Pats a game with an injury-depleted and talent-depleted unit. We improved on last year by making the playoffs, and winning a road playoff game as a wild card. Next year, we need to improve on that talent, stay a bit more healthy, and win the division. That way we control our own destiny with a home game and not this road game stuff.

true....I really think we would not have won this game anyways...Brady didn't make any mistakes, we didn't have the defense to win...even if Northcutt and Jones had caught those TD passes (which would have kept it all knotted up) Brady would have marched right down the field...we couldn't stop him...and eventually they would have won because they have the better weapons...I mean look at what Stallworth did in limited action...it was a great game and I'm really glad we played the way we did because we no doubt quieted some of the doubters but we've got to get better on defense and get another playmaker on offense...

I look for the FO to pull a trade for a top tier WR this offseason and sign a big name defensive FA...probably a DE maybe a CB or SS...but Wayne Weaver has already stated that he wants playmakers on offense and now that the season is over and everyone has seen that we have a good QB that only needs a go to receiver...I think it will happen....

leftwich7 · 01-13-2008, 11:07 AM

I would really like to see a pass rusher (not a third down rusher) who can get 13 or 14 sacks. In terms of the draft I really like Talib from Kansas but I don't know if he is going to be around

art vandelay · 01-13-2008, 11:58 AM

I was disappointed with the (lack of) pressure on Brady. Everyone knows that Brady picks apart zone D's - see the Bills 2 times. Why didn't the Jags blitz more?

JagHombre22 · 01-13-2008, 12:01 PM

Moss would have had a huge day had we blitzed more...the times we did blitz he picked us apart...that Stallworth completion was on a blitz...

art vandelay · 01-13-2008, 12:03 PM

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Moss would have had a huge day had we blitzed more...the times we did blitz he picked us apart...that Stallworth completion was on a blitz...

Yeah but it was very close to a sack and probably Brady's riskiest throw all night. At least it forced him out of the pocket.

The Unseen · 01-13-2008, 12:31 PM

Just because the blitz may have worked once doesn't mean it would work all the time. If the Patriots adjusted to more frequent blitzing, we would get burned.

TheSchmidt · 01-13-2008, 12:50 PM

Would have liked to see more 3rd down blitzes. It seemed that defense was getting the Pats into a lot of 3rd and short plays and just kept the playing the same soft defense. Which Brady obviously kept picking apart.