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Old 07-13-2007, 09:19 PM    (permalink
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They're replacing Tarik Glenn, not simply letting him walk without a plan.
With an unproven rookie, who will then be an unproven 2nd year player. Not much of a plan.
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Peter King actually made a good point on NFLN: using the franchise tag on Freeney for 07 (11 mil) and 08 (14 mil) would have paid him, in guaranteed money, a sum of 25 million.
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With an unproven rookie, who will then be an unproven 2nd year player. Not much of a plan.
Every rookie is unproven. They could have gotten Joe Thomas and you could apply the exact same statement to him. Howard Mudd is one of the Best OL coaches in the NFL today and Tony Ugoh was considered by some analysts to be a first round OT prospect. Throw in an already good O-Line, one of the best QB's in the game when it comes to avoiding pressure and a running back who can keep defenses honest and then some, and you've got quite a bit backing the potential success of Ugoh.
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Makes me wonder how they can afford all of these contracts. With Sanders coming up as someone that almost has to get done they already have big money on Manning, Wayne, Harrison, and now Freeney. I can't imagine they will have alot of cap space in just a few years but I guess they know what they're doing.
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Plus I do believe that Tony Ugoh may be starting at G this year in favor of Ryan Lilja.
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With an unproven rookie, who will then be an unproven 2nd year player. Not much of a plan.
Polian graded him as a first round talent, and apparently thinks enough of him that he sees him as the heir apparent for Tarik Glenn. That's good enough for me for now.
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If you can't pressure the QB in the Cover 2 from the DL you are in big trouble. While I think the size of the contract may hurt them when in conjunction with some of the other big contracts they have signed lately, they needed to keep that pass rushing element. I don't like Freeney all that much, but I agree with the Colts logic in re-signing him.
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Old 07-13-2007, 09:33 PM    (permalink
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Polian graded him as a first round talent, and apparently thinks enough of him that he sees him as the heir apparent for Tarik Glenn. That's good enough for me for now.
My problem with Ugoh in that scheme is he's from a run dominated offensive system and the Colts are the exact opposite.
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Makes me wonder how they can afford all of these contracts. With Sanders coming up as someone that almost has to get done they already have big money on Manning, Wayne, Harrison, and now Freeney. I can't imagine they will have alot of cap space in just a few years but I guess they know what they're doing.
Teams that sustain greatness turn over their roster very quickly while maintaining a core of top tier players, and paying them most of the money.
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With an unproven rookie, who will then be an unproven 2nd year player. Not much of a plan.
Would you prefer them to let Freeney go and have Josh Thomas starting opposed to a 2nd round pick with loads of potential? Them resigning Freeney and letting Glenn walk next year is a no brainer.
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Would you prefer them to let Freeney go and have Josh Thomas starting opposed to a 2nd round pick with loads of potential? Them resigning Freeney and letting Glenn walk next year is a no brainer.
Truthfully I hate the Colts and wish they would dissolve, bottomline they overpaid to keep Freeney.
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Would you prefer them to let Freeney go and have Josh Thomas starting opposed to a 2nd round pick with loads of potential? Them resigning Freeney and letting Glenn walk next year is a no brainer.
I do think the Colts could have traded a franchise-tagged Freeney to Washington for draft picks, with at least one 1st round pick involved. Snyder couldn't have helped himself.
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The only way this is worth it is if he gets 16 sacks and causes like 4 turnovers each year of the contract. And I'm not going to elaborate to Colts fans, cause they've read the reasons from many other people already.
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Highest paid defender............until Julius Peppers gets his new deal. What is his going to be, $110M, $40M guarantees? He deserves that if Freeney deserves this.

I can't understand how the Colts manage to keep dealing out "highest paid" deals. Two top 3 paid WR's I think, Manning and now Freeney. They had to let talent go to fit under the cap this offseason, what's going to happen for the next? Salary cap hell awaits. Or maybe this new CBA ear thing saved them in the nick of time. If there is any good left in the NFL's salary cap system, the Colts should be feeling it hard very soon, otherwise we may as well just not have it.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...ohn&id=2935558

A very good article by John Clayton on the Freeney deal.
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bar the fellow colts and DG151 i am seeing a hell of a lot of ignorance regarding freeney and his impact on a game of football
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What 5.5 sacks?
The fact is he isnt as good as Peppers, Kampman, Taylor, and a few other I'm sure
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My problem with Ugoh in that scheme is he's from a run dominated offensive system and the Colts are the exact opposite.
Tarik Glenn isn't exactly the best of pass protectors. He gets flagged for false starts often trying to get a jump against the league's better pass rushers. I'm not saying he's not a good one, but IMO he's a better run blocker.

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bar the fellow colts and DG151 i am seeing a hell of a lot of ignorance regarding freeney and his impact on a game of football
You'll have that when you have a player with a (well deserved) reputation as a pass rusher. He does other things well, and he basically takes up two players on the opposing offense, but for some reason, no one recognizes that.
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What 5.5 sacks?
Do you not understand how atrocious DT play can lead to a pocket for the QB to step into and avoid the rush?
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Id love to hear a list of defenders that you lot think have a bigger impact for their respective teams (when healthy which completely cuts out last year for freeney even though he still was huge for the colts even without the sack numbers or any defensive tackle pocket collapsing help whatsoever)
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Id love to hear a list of defenders that you lot think have a bigger impact for their respective teams (when healthy which completely cuts out last year for freeney even though he still was huge for the colts even without the sack numbers or any defensive tackle pocket collapsing help whatsoever)
Are you kidding? Freeney is a threat only on passing situations. To state that he changes games more than guys who are a factor on every down is downright stupid.
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Are you kidding? Freeney is a threat only on passing situations. To state that he changes games more than guys who are a factor on every down is downright stupid.
name the players then, if he gets doubled on every passing down (which is almost all the time, sometimes even tripled) then that means hes freeing up a man on 50% (roughly) of total plays, which i consider a major impact on a whole
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and anyway id rather a guy that negatively changes the way qb's think and play over a guy whos best asset is that they play the run and pass equally well
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and anyway id rather a guy that negatively changes the way qb's think and play over a guy whos best asset is that they play the run and pass equally well
Julius Peppers is better then Freeney.

He's given JUST as much attention as Freeney is. The difference is in their production.

In 4 less games, he's posted nearly identical sack stats as Freeney. However, he's knocked down 20 more passes (thus killing 20 more plays), and had 80 more total tackles then Freeney did, showing his run defense skill.

The only skill that Freeney has a distinct edge over Freeney in is forcing fumbles--- a testiment to his ability to use his low center of gravity to his advantage in stripping the ball.
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Julius Peppers is better then Freeney.

He's given JUST as much attention as Freeney is. The difference is in their production.

In 4 less games, he's posted nearly identical sack stats as Freeney. However, he's knocked down 20 more passes (thus killing 20 more plays), and had 80 more total tackles then Freeney did, showing his run defense skill.

The only skill that Freeney has a distinct edge over Freeney in is forcing fumbles--- a testiment to his ability to use his low center of gravity to his advantage in stripping the ball.
i think its fairly accpeted that julius peppers is a better player, nobody here is arguing that. the only reason freeney is getting more (and im assuming thats why you brought this comparison up) is because he just signed, if peppers was to sign today hed be getting more then this contract.

and dont get caught up with stats in the comparison because peppers' superior supporting cast is going to make it much easier for him thus inflating his stats, all you have to do is watch the film to realise both are excellent players
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