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Old 07-14-2007, 06:06 PM    (permalink
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I know Hampton is already established as a dominant figure in the NFL already but if you had to start a 3-4 defense from scratch, which one of these 2 guys would you pick and why?
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Hampton because he actually plays in a 3-4.
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There's no reason to argue over it; Casey Hampton is a NT in a 3-4 and Ngata is a DE when we line up in a 3-4. This is a ridiculous comparison.
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There's no reason to argue over it; Casey Hampton is a NT in a 3-4 and Ngata is a DE when we line up in a 3-4. This is a ridiculous comparison.
na i think he can still be a 3-4 NT

hes certainly the size
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Regardless of who we think is the better player right now, there is only one answer to this question. You're starting from scratch, you take the guy who doesn't already have 7 years on the odometer. Ngata figures to be a force in the trenches for another decade. Hampton would need to be head and shoulders above Ngata in the athleticism/size/skill departments in order to even be considered, and that just isn't the case.
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Regardless of who we think is the better player right now, there is only one answer to this question. You're starting from scratch, you take the guy who doesn't already have 7 years on the odometer. Ngata figures to be a force in the trenches for another decade. Hampton would need to be head and shoulders above Ngata in the athleticism/size/skill departments in order to even be considered, and that just isn't the case.
Well a NT is more important in a 3-4 than a DE.
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Well a NT is more important in a 3-4 than a DE.
I'm quite sure Ngata would be fine at NT if it weren't for Kelly Gregg, but at the same time I'm not ready to announce is superiority over Hampton after just one season of work.
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I'm quite sure Ngata would be fine at NT if it weren't for Kelly Gregg, but at the same time I'm not ready to announce is superiority over Hampton after just one season of work.
if it was 3-4 Ravens team i would DEs would be Pryce and Gregg with Ngata at nose and Suggs as the outside backer

actually i odnt know about Gregg. Hes 6"0 .. short for a DE and 310 which could be fine for a NT but wilfork-hampton-williams are all over 330 but Ferguson is around 315..
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if it was 3-4 Ravens team i would DEs would be Pryce and Gregg with Ngata at nose and Suggs as the outside backer
First of all please for the love of God learn some proper grammar as opposed to the jibberish that was your last post. Secondly, Kelly Gregg is by far the most underrated NT in the entire NFL and no way Ngata would replace now or anytime soon.
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Well a NT is more important in a 3-4 than a DE.
Yes, and a man who can play both is much more valuable than a guy who's limited to just one position.
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I'm quite sure Ngata would be fine at NT if it weren't for Kelly Gregg, but at the same time I'm not ready to announce is superiority over Hampton after just one season of work.
I agree. No way can we say Ngata is the better player right now. But I would surely pick him over Hampton if I were starting from scratch.
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First of all please for the love of God learn some proper grammar as opposed to the jibberish that was your last post. Secondly, Kelly Gregg is by far the most underrated NT in the entire NFL and no way Ngata would replace now or anytime soon.
your gonna be a ***** over one little grammar mistake? this isnt the classroom, and it was a mistake.

..and Gregg doesnt even play NT. Ravens run a 4-3 ..there is no NOSE. So saying he is the most underrated NT in NFL is flat out stupid. Unless your talking about when the Ravens ran the 3-4, then your post might have a little credibility but that doesnt make him an underrated NT right now.
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Hampton is a better fit in the 3-4, even though Ngata would be good in the 3-4 too. Wilfork I would take over Ngata but not over Hampton. Ngata is a great fit in the Ravens' defense though in that 2 NT system (virtually) with 2 rush ends and a base end on their front.
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your gonna be a ***** over one little grammar mistake? this isnt the classroom, and it was a mistake.

..and Gregg doesnt even play NT. Ravens run a 4-3 ..there is no NOSE. So saying he is the most underrated NT in NFL is flat out stupid. Unless your talking about when the Ravens ran the 3-4, then your post might have a little credibility but that doesnt make him an underrated NT right now.
Umm junior...........we run a hybrid defense with a base of a 3-4/4-3 defense. But what do I know since I'm only a Ravens' fan, go to at least 4 games a year, and follow them year round. I'm so glad I have someone like you to tell me what kind of defense they run........
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your gonna be a ***** over one little grammar mistake? this isnt the classroom, and it was a mistake.

..and Gregg doesnt even play NT. Ravens run a 4-3 ..there is no NOSE. So saying he is the most underrated NT in NFL is flat out stupid. Unless your talking about when the Ravens ran the 3-4, then your post might have a little credibility but that doesnt make him an underrated NT right now.
First off, even in a 4-3 Defense, a lot of the time there is a nose tackle, like in Tampa with Hovan and Kevin Carter(next season) or Ellis Wyms. Kendrick Clancy played NT, while Darnell Dockett played UT. La'Roi Glover was the UT in STL, while Jimmy Kennedy was the NT. The list goes on and on. The NT just occupies more blockers, allowing the UT to be a penetrating one gap kind of player. Kelly Gregg plays NT in the 4-3 and in the 3-4, which we run much of the time. He does not regularly play end in the 3-4. And he is a pretty underrated played and one of the better technicians in the league.

For the future, I would take Ngata, as he's 7 years younger than Hampton. But Hampton is a better player as of right now, due to his experience and smarts.
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i was thinking more along the lines of a 3-4 NT. its much different than a 4-3 nose, so when he said NT..i went with the 3-4 since we were talking about Hampton.

when comparing, i would stick 3-4 guys with 3-4 guys and the 4-3s as separate .

i know ravens run 4-3 and 3-4 but mainly a 4-3 am i right?
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First off, even in a 4-3 Defense, a lot of the time there is a nose tackle, like in Tampa with Hovan and Kevin Carter(next season) or Ellis Wyms. Kendrick Clancy played NT, while Darnell Dockett played UT. La'Roi Glover was the UT in STL, while Jimmy Kennedy was the NT. The list goes on and on. The NT just occupies more blockers, allowing the UT to be a penetrating one gap kind of player. Kelly Gregg plays NT in the 4-3 and in the 3-4, which we run much of the time. He does not regularly play end in the 3-4. And he is a pretty underrated played and one of the better technicians in the league.

For the future, I would take Ngata, as he's 7 years younger than Hampton. But Hampton is a better player as of right now, due to his experience and smarts.
Exactly. No nose=easy runs between the 2 and 3 holes. Even if there isn't a dead on nose(which is usually the case) one tackle is in the gap between Weak guard and Center, which plays the same role.
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Ngata has the potential to go above and beyond what Hampton is, as he can be a serious penetrator as well as a run stopper, but Hampton is still the better player no question. If Im starting a 3-4 D Ill take Hampton because 3-4 NT is such a perfect position for him but if Im starting a defense from scratch and dont want 3-4 to be my only look, Im taking Ngata because he can play 4-3 DT, both the nose and the UT and he can play 3-4 DE and his potential is higher, a great frontline player to start a defense with, regardless of how you fill it out you will find a good spot for him.
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i was thinking more along the lines of a 3-4 NT. its much different than a 4-3 nose, so when he said NT..i went with the 3-4 since we were talking about Hampton.

when comparing, i would stick 3-4 guys with 3-4 guys and the 4-3s as separate .

i know ravens run 4-3 and 3-4 but mainly a 4-3 am i right?
Depends on the look they want to give. It's just the difference between Suggs playing with his knuckle down or standing up. Guys like Ngata fit equally well into the 4-3 and 3-4.
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There's no reason to argue over it; Casey Hampton is a NT in a 3-4 and Ngata is a DE when we line up in a 3-4. This is a ridiculous comparison.
yeah but I dont think theres much question Ngata could play the nose if necessary, they just dont need him to because Kelly Gregg is a beast. But its a testament to Ngatas ability that he, being a guy whose natural position is obviously DT can move to the DE position with that kind of success in his rookie season
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