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Old 07-20-2007, 10:58 AM    (permalink
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Any of LSUs Dline can start at any school in the nation. Easily. Dorsey is a top 10 pick, Tyson Jackson is a first rounder if he comes out. The rest are fast, atheletic and strong and all were top recruits.

The LBs dont have much when it comes to names but are all very fast and know where the ball will be. Highsmith could very well be the best LB in the conference by the end of the year, possibly the best in the country if he stays healthy. Yea, he's that damn good. That's not even counting the youngster Beckwith. Well I say youngster, younger than Ali. He is an absolute beast, hard hitting, fast, strong, smart. Always in the right place. The other LB spot is for a white boy, not as athletic as the other 2 but still fast and very smart.

The DBs are the most underrated part of this defense. The 2 corners were not tested much last year after Zenon opened the season with his tear of INTs. We lose alot in Landry but Chad Jones is a talent that is amazing. His high school clips were anyways. He is the definition of a ball hawk, hopefully that relegates to the college level. Craig Steltz is a Jack Hunt type player, smart, instinctive, somewhat fast. (Jack Hunt was our safety in the NC season) Always has his guys in the right place, just like a coach on defense should be. This is all not to mention all the highly recruited guys we took in the last 2 seasons in the secondary, ie. Jai Eugene, Phelon Jones, Delvin Breaux, Stefoin Francois, ect. All will most likely see plenty of time on the field since Miles and Pellini love to rotate players constantly.

O yea, Bo Pellini is one of the best defensive minds in the nation. He probably won't be around for too much longer when a big name program comes in and offers him a head coaching job.
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LSU Dline is easily the best. Glenn Dorsey everyone knows who he is. Tyson Jackson is being spoken about as a first rounder. DT's Favorite and Alexander both jrs, I wouldn't be surprised to see in the league come the 09 draft. Then you have DE Rahim Alem formerly Al Jones who was highly ranked coming out of high school as well as sophmore DT big Al Woods 6'5", 325.

I would put LSU's D line up against USC and OSU anyday and twice on Saturdays.

LSU's linebackers are underrated. OLB Ali Highsmith is a senior with a couple years starting not real tall but is fast knows how to tackle and has good instincts I'd say he's a first day pick. JR MLB Darry Beckwith has great measurables and Bo Pelni speaks very highly of him. I think he'll be a first rounder in 09 if he doesn't come out this year. The combo of Senior Luke Sanders and sophomre Jacob Cutrera add quality starting depth.

LSU's Db's are a good bunch. Senior conerbacks Johnathn Zenon and Chevis Jackson are the returning starters and are both SEC seasoned already, both are looking to play their way up in the draft. Senior Saftey Craig Stelz has been backing up LaRon Landry and Jessie Dainles his whole career but has seen plenty of playing time in doing so as eveident by his 4ints last season. The other saftey position will be filled by Curtis Taylor with Danny McCray and possibly someone else coming in for back up support in nickle situations.

Factor in this is now the LSU Defenses 3rd season under coordinator Bo Pelini a defense that has finished top 5 in the nation both previous years.

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USC's D is easily better than OSU's. LSU is a different story.
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No one's D is "easily" better than OSU's. No one in college football anyway. The only conceivable weakness might be the DTs, and they were both 5 star and 4 star recruits though inexperienced and kinda small. I think their LBs, DEs, and DBs will match up with any in the country.
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No one's D is "easily" better than OSU's. No one in college football anyway. The only conceivable weakness might be the DTs, and they were both 5 star and 4 star recruits though inexperienced and kinda small. I think their LBs, DEs, and DBs will match up with any in the country.
Dude OSUs DEs have no shot against LSU or USCs DEs. Not really that close either. LBs, yea maybe. Dont know much about the secondary though.
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To be honest I don't know enough about OSU's defense to make a fair judgement, I just know how loaded LSU's defense will be.
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No one's D is "easily" better than OSU's except for USC and LSU.
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Dude OSUs DEs have no shot against LSU or USCs DEs. Not really that close either. LBs, yea maybe. Dont know much about the secondary though.
You mean future first round picks Vernon Gholston and Robert Rose, plus Lawrence Wilson who is also in the 1st/2nd round discussion (hasn't played enough to determine)....gimme a break. Our DEs are the best thing about our defense.
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You mean future first round picks Vernon Gholston and Robert Rose, plus Lawrence Wilson who is also in the 1st/2nd round discussion (hasn't played enough to determine)....gimme a break. Our DEs are the best thing about our defense.
I'll take Lawrence Jackson,Everson Griffen and Kyle Moore any day over Rose and Gholston.
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You won't be saying that in five years when Gholston and Rose are making the pro bowl every year. I think Griffen is the only one of SC's 3 ends who has as much potential as those 2. Robert Rose is a monster....6-5/270 and incredibly strong for a rush end, the next Mike Strahan. Every time he's in the game he is in the backfield.
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Saying Rose is the next what ever is plain homerism. The guy hasn't played a season yet. It's just like your Tedd Ginn being better then D-Jack theory that everybody laughed at. Plus without proven DT's what does this say about your whole D-line? Maybe it's talented, but talent doesn't make up for lack of experience. SC proved that this year.

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Virginia Tech.... 2x number one defense in the nation doesn't get much consideration? We're returning 8 defensive starters...and all of them are studs.

To the guy who mentioned our lack of NFL talent...it's amazing. We don't have the best recruiting(teams like UVA and NC State constantly out-recruit us), but our coaching is incredible. We take 2-star talent and make them play like 4-star studs.
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I know that LSU has a great set of players on D this year and that they play in the SEC or whatever but i wanna see you guys compare these two units. I really only see them having the advantage at the DT spot and want to know what you guys think

All College National Champions have one thing in common, an experienced QB with some real skills. Ohio St will lose a game or 2 before their QB settles down and becomes the player he can be. 2 loses is what an inexperienced QB will deliver no matter how talented he will become and 2 losses won't even get you to the NC game. Ohio St will be a very good team overall but they will still lose at least 2 games next season due to QB errors at crucial times.
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No one's D is "easily" better than OSU's. No one in college football anyway. The only conceivable weakness might be the DTs, and they were both 5 star and 4 star recruits though inexperienced and kinda small. I think their LBs, DEs, and DBs will match up with any in the country.
But OSU's LBers are clearly better than LSUs and their DBs easily if they stay healthy? Please. Lawrence Jackson and Ellis are both better than anyone on your DL and Fili and Moore are better than all but Gholston. That's easily better. LSU's DL is also easily better. USCs LBs are easily better. USCs DBs are easily better than OSUs. Guess what, USCs defense is easily better than OSUs. LSU and OSU are pretty equal in LB and DB but their DL still dominates OSUs. Man your homerism never ends.
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I don't think you can really compare guys like Moala and Moore to 3 players who haven't started yet. Lawrence Wilson is looking like he could be the best of all our defensive linemen now that he is not splitting time with Jay Richardson (who is now a Raider). Doug Worthington was a 5 star recruit who is now the starting LDT at 6-7/295 or so. The line other than Gholston is unproven, it is unfair to say that ___ is easily better than them therefore. I said that the DEs, LBs, and DBs could match up with anyone's in the country and they definitely could. Never said those units were definitely the best in the country, READ.
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All College National Champions have one thing in common, an experienced QB with some real skills. Ohio St will lose a game or 2 before their QB settles down and becomes the player he can be. 2 loses is what an inexperienced QB will deliver no matter how talented he will become and 2 losses won't even get you to the NC game. Ohio St will be a very good team overall but they will still lose at least 2 games next season due to QB errors at crucial times.

Looking at the schedule, the only game I see us as a threat to lose is @Purdue in the first 8 games. By the Penn State, Wisconsin, and Michigan games Boeckman will be settled in and Chris Wells will probably get about 30 carries in all those games anyways, and the only thing preventing Beanie from 200 a game in those first 8 is probably the game being a major blowout early. BTW, I think Craig Krenzel went into 2002 with only 2 games of starting experience.
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Saying Rose is the next what ever is plain homerism. The guy hasn't played a season yet. It's just like your Tedd Ginn being better then D-Jack theory that everybody laughed at. Plus without proven DT's what does this say about your whole D-line? Maybe it's talented, but talent doesn't make up for lack of experience. SC proved that this year.
Throw out Griffen and Rose then since both are unproven. Gholston might not be as high of a draftpick as Jackson, but he might since he's a DE/OLB tweener like K.Wimbley and D.Ware. Jackson didn't do that much the first half of last year and only ended up with 5 sacks. Gholston had 9 last year. I say the Gholston/Jackson comparison is really a push. At the other end L.Wilson hasn't played as much as Moore, but Wilson has more pass rush for a base end, and I don't see how after this year anyone could say they'd take Moore over Wilson. Barring Griffen or Rose having big years in rotation, OSU ends are better.
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Looking at the schedule, the only game I see us as a threat to lose is @Purdue in the first 8 games. By the Penn State, Wisconsin, and Michigan games Boeckman will be settled in and Chris Wells will probably get about 30 carries in all those games anyways, and the only thing preventing Beanie from 200 a game in those first 8 is probably the game being a major blowout early. BTW, I think Craig Krenzel went into 2002 with only 2 games of starting experience.
exactly, Boeckman will have settlled down before we even see a decent team, i really think that he will be a pretty decent game manager but the time we face PSU
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Looking at the schedule, the only game I see us as a threat to lose is @Purdue in the first 8 games. By the Penn State, Wisconsin, and Michigan games Boeckman will be settled in and Chris Wells will probably get about 30 carries in all those games anyways, and the only thing preventing Beanie from 200 a game in those first 8 is probably the game being a major blowout early. BTW, I think Craig Krenzel went into 2002 with only 2 games of starting experience.
200 a game? You really need to ease up on the homerism. He's Chris Wells, not Emmitt Smith. This guy gets so much love for a guy who's never started a game it's absurd. I know he's a heck of a player and I don't doubt that, but come on get realistic.
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Well he'll get close to 30 carries a game and he'll average close to 6 ypc or so, which is about 180 ypg. He might not get exactly 30 carries a game, but then again some of those games he will certainly average more than 6 ypc, so that is average I'd say. Mo Clarett was that good and he didn't get near the carries that Beanie will get. I think MoC had 7 ypc against Michigan in 02. Wells is bigger faster, more durable, and stronger than Clarett.....His vision might not be what Clarett's was but we don't really know that for sure. If his vision and ability to hit the hole is was #13's was then 180-200 ypg in those first 8 is VERY possible. (Look at the schedule, it's not the stretch you might think). Don't undersell Wells' talent, he's in the same class talentwise that Clarett and Peterson were.
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Well he'll get close to 30 carries a game and he'll average close to 6 ypc or so, which is about 180 ypg. He might not get exactly 30 carries a game, but then again some of those games he will certainly average more than 6 ypc, so that is average I'd say. Mo Clarett was that good and he didn't get near the carries that Beanie will get. I think MoC had 7 ypc against Michigan in 02. Wells is bigger faster, more durable, and stronger than Clarett.....His vision might not be what Clarett's was but we don't really know that for sure. If his vision and ability to hit the hole is was #13's was then 180-200 ypg in those first 8 is VERY possible. (Look at the schedule, it's not the stretch you might think). Don't undersell Wells' talent, he's in the same class talentwise that Clarett and Peterson were.
6 ypc???????????? What the **** are you smoking? Over 25-30 carries? Your love for OSU blinds reality. A LOT. MoC tore the **** out of Michigan, but I'm too lazy to look to see if he averaged over 6 ypc for the season. Actually it's not necessary because chances are he didn't.
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OSU's ends are not better then SC's. LJ and Kyle Moore are both 6-5 270 athletic freaks who have proven themeselves in the collegiate ranks. Everson Griffen has more potential then any man on OSU's entire roster. Manning one tackle is the best penetrating DT in the NCAA(besides Dorsey) in Sed Ellis. At the other tackle is Fili Moala who is 6-3 318, and has started for SC since his sophmore year. No need to talk about the linebackers of SC. Even if every single one of them got injured, their replacements would make up a solid group. The Secondary features 2 linebacker sized safetys with freakish ability. Taylor Mays and Kevin Ellison can cover with the best of safetys and take heads off when required. Terrell Thomas is among the best in the NCAA as far as tackling corners go, and is an accet in coverage as well. Cary Harris and Kevin Thomas are proven cornerbacks who could start at any other school in the country. Not to mention SC's D coordinator Nick Holt who brought SC from one of the worst D's in 05 to a stellar group in 06. There is no question in anyones but homer OSU fans minds that SC's D is far superior to the one OSU will be fielding in 07.
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OSU's ends are not better then SC's. LJ and Kyle Moore are both 6-5 270 athletic freaks who have proven themeselves in the collegiate ranks. Everson Griffen has more potential then any man on OSU's entire roster. Manning one tackle is the best penetrating DT in the NCAA(besides Dorsey) in Sed Ellis. At the other tackle is Fili Moala who is 6-3 318, and has started for SC since his sophmore year. No need to talk about the linebackers of SC. Even if every single one of them got injured, their replacements would make up a solid group. The Secondary features 2 linebacker sized safetys with freakish ability. Taylor Mays and Kevin Ellison can cover with the best of safetys and take head off when required. Terrell Thomas is among the best in the NCAA as far as tackling corners go, and is an accet in coverage as well. Cary Harris and Kevin Thomas are proven cornerbacks who could start at any other school in the country. Not to mention SC's D coordinator Nick Holt who brought SC from one of the worst D's in 05 to a stellar group in 06. There is no question in anyones but homer OSU fans minds that SC's D is far superior to the one OSU will be fielding in 07.
I, for one, think you are correct and USC has the best all-around defense, followed closely by LSU. I think I'd put Virginia Tech ahead of Ohio State as well.
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LJ and Kyle Moore are both 6-5 270 athletic freaks who have proven themeselves in the collegiate ranks.
I'm really at a loss of words to how so many people are rating Lawrence Jackson ahead of Gholston.

What does LJ have that Gholston doesnt? Honestly...

Gholston had 9 sacks and a bunch of TFL last year.
Jackson had 5 sacks, and it took him an entire half year just to get 1 sack.

Jackson is 6'5 270.
Gholston is 6'5 270.

Gholston is LOTS faster, perhaps stronger, and an overall better athlete. NOBODY can dispute that.

SC's defensive line as a whole is better than OSU's, but I dont think that any of the DE tandems between OSU, USC, and LSU can be pronounced as better than the other unit without some element of homerism. Lets wait til the season starts.
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Which team had the overall No 1 defense in the Big Ten last year?
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