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Old 08-05-2007, 01:25 PM    (permalink) 
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by people "by him" do you mean the jealous french people who hated more than anything the fact that he was american and then slandered him by accusing him of steroids or doping? You are being a hater, what he did was amazing, the only thing that set him apart from other riders was the fact that he had 1 testicle, which could have made him more aerodynamic. Other than that, Lance did that all his own.
Yes, and Barry Bonds never took anything, neither did Sosa or anyone in any sport who hasn't tested positive, because I am sure there are NO WAYS to cheat the system.

Sorry for having an opinion, I am willing to believe he cheated, sorry... Like I said, I'm not going to just come out and say "Armstrong cheated he didn't deserve those wins." I just say, I believe Armstrong took something, but I don't know.
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Yes, and Barry Bonds never took anything, neither did Sosa or anyone in any sport who hasn't tested positive, because I am sure there are NO WAYS to cheat the system.

Sorry for having an opinion, I am willing to believe he cheated, sorry... Like I said, I'm not going to just come out and say "Armstrong cheated he didn't deserve those wins." I just say, I believe Armstrong took something, but I don't know.
Sosa take something maybe not....now a corked bat, who knows how long thats been?
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Sosa take something maybe not....now a corked bat, who knows how long thats been?
I meant theres no doubt he took something back then, but he never tested positive, and randomly forgot how to speak English in front of congress?
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What he did was PERFECTLY FINE when he did it.
Cheating is perfectly fine? Well, how come Pete Rose isn't in the hall? How come Tim Donaghy is in big trouble?
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Cheating is perfectly fine? Well, how come Pete Rose isn't in the hall? How come Tim Donaghy is in big trouble?
dont forget the Hulk, if he didnt take those performence enhancers he could be the best Lineman of ALL TIME, but sadly he got caught. HULK SMASH!
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Haha. The Cowboys fan previews a tainted Giants record. Classy.
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i dont get it....
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Haha. The Cowboys fan previews a tainted Giants record. Classy.
I try.

It is a NFL forum, so I previewed one that had to do with the...*shock* NFL. It had little to do with the story being about a player on a rival team, as much as you want it to be. Should I have instead previewed the Marion Jones track story or the Richard Petty thing? I would of quoted the whole article, but that is against the rules here, so tough cookies. But nice try on attempting to make me come off as bias. Classy.
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Illinois losing to UNC in the National Championship, not really a record persay but it's tainted. ;)

I think May got away with legalized assault on Augustine in that game....
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Illinois losing to UNC in the National Championship, not really a record persay but it's tainted. ;)

I think May got away with legalized assault on Augustine in that game....
Amen to that. That was one of the very few occasions that I've cheered for Illinois in a game.
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I think all of Roger Clemens accomplishments should have the suspicion Bonds' accomplishments have gone under. Like Bonds, he grew to bigger proportions late in his career, saw a late career power surge and had career seasons at the age of 42-44.
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I dont hold anything against Barry Bonds. What he did was PERFECTLY FINE when he did it. He has never tested positive under the new drug testing system that has been brought out. Sure maybe taking steriods was not morally correct but it wasnt AGAINST THE RULES FOR MLB. I personally think that the HR he hit were PERFECTLY FINE. His records should stand. That is the point that no one is getting. It wasnt illegal at the time he took it. Hes on his way to be the HR King in my books.

yes, it was illegal at the time he took it. It was illegal in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. IT WAS A LAW. So give me a break with that crap. Im sick of that argument.
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yes, it was illegal at the time he took it. It was illegal in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. IT WAS A LAW. So give me a break with that crap. Im sick of that argument.

Well then they should cut out the entire steroid era in baseball and nullify everything if they do it to Bonds. I can guarantee you, without a testing program, there had to be an extremely large amount of dopers. It's like when you're writing a test, you are stuck on an answer, and the teacher leaves the room to get coffee. You're going to find out that answer. What he did was wrong, but there's no reason to condemn him without condemning practically everyone from the '90s.
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I never said it was only him, and I am not accusing him. Im saying if he or anyone else used steroids, the records should be taken away because it was against the law to use steroids, and it doesnt make a difference whether it was in the MLB rule book or not.


edit i can see where it looked like im accusing him. Bad choice of words.
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I am here to help out.

I dont hold anything against Barry Bonds. What he did was PERFECTLY FINE when he did it. He has never tested positive under the new drug testing system that has been brought out. Sure maybe taking steriods was not morally correct but it wasnt AGAINST THE RULES FOR MLB. I personally think that the HR he hit were PERFECTLY FINE. His records should stand. That is the point that no one is getting. It wasnt illegal at the time he took it. Hes on his way to be the HR King in my books.
Steroids have been illegal in baseball since 1991...
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I never said it was only him, and I am not accusing him. Im saying if he or anyone else used steroids, the records should be taken away because it was against the law to use steroids, and it doesnt make a difference whether it was in the MLB rule book or not.


edit i can see where it looked like im accusing him. Bad choice of words.
No, I'm sorry. My statement was more directed at the entire "burn Barry" movement, not you. I just quoted your's since it was the last steroid post I saw.
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what would you guys do if you caught the record breaking ball? i saw one guy say that he would put a big asterisk on the ball with a sharpie and then give the ball to barry bonds.
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what would you guys do if you caught the record breaking ball? i saw one guy say that he would put a big asterisk on the ball with a sharpie and then give the ball to barry bonds.


I would do what everyone else in their right mind would do. Sell it.
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OK well so was corked bats and they found how many since 1991? Exactly. It was illiegal but they never did any testing for it. Thus you could take what you want, when you want and do it without any troubles.
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I would sell to the highest bidder...the very last thing I would do is give the ball back to barry bonds, even if he offered me the most money

and also, I lost all respect for Favre after that play, regardless of anything he has ever done...I just couldn't believe he did that
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OK well so was corked bats and they found how many since 1991? Exactly. It was illiegal but they never did any testing for it. Thus you could take what you want, when you want and do it without any troubles.
That is absurd. Just because MLB's testing policy was a joke in the 1990's, doesn't make it perfectly alright.
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That is absurd. Just because MLB's testing policy was a joke in the 1990's, doesn't make it perfectly alright.
Still the only reason people are on his d*** is because he is going to hit 756 shortly. Why isnt any calling on Neifi Perez who tested positive 3, THREE times. Geez, lay off the man. Im surprised no one is questions ARod yet. Maybe its because he isnt THAT close to 756 yet. Im gonna give it 2-3 years before people start questioning him.
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