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Old 08-13-2007, 01:55 PM    (permalink
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.....Maybe for punt protector.

And no mention of Betts yet? I think him or Turner would be the best bet.
ah Betts...surprised I forgot about him...theres a lot of good backups at running back though, I also left off Adrian Peterson
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I'm not going to be a homer and say the Bucs even though, like everyone else, I am biased towards my own team so i'll just say the Pats have some pretty decent depth, particularly on the offensive line.
really cause i know the bills back ups basically arent that good
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The 49ers have a little depth for the first time in a long time, but only at certain positions.

OL is our biggest strength as we have: Adam Snyder, David Baas and Kwame Harris (maybe Staley) as backups.

All of those guys will likely be starting and playing well next year or possibly this year.

CB isn't too shabby with: Shawntae Spencer and Tarell Brown

MLB looks solid with: Patrick Willis and Jeff Ulbrich.

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The 49ers have a little depth for the first time in a long time, but only at certain positions.

OL is our biggest strength as we have: Adam Snyder, David Baas and Kwame Harris (maybe Staley) as backups.

All of those guys will likely be starting and playing well next year or possibly this year.

CB isn't too shabby with: Shawntae Spencer and Tarell Brown

MLB looks solid with: Patrick Willis and Jeff Ulbrich.
I think Ulbrich retired but yea the 49ers have some good backups for the first time in a while....they got some other good ones at WR with Jason Hill and Arnaz Battle, Keith Lewis is a good backup at S, and Ronald Fields a solid backup at NT.
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I think Ulbrich retired but yea the 49ers have some good backups for the first time in a while....they got some other good ones at WR with Jason Hill and Arnaz Battle, Keith Lewis is a good backup at S, and Ronald Fields a solid backup at NT.
Ulbrich hasn't retired, don't know where you got that.

Keith Lewis is a nice backup but I didn't want to get too homerish.

Battle is starting so he isn't a backup...Lelie is the backup.

Fields is a backup DE who could possibly start, but he does backup the NT position as well as a 3rd stringer. With Ray McDonald our DE position has a few pretty good backups, but again getting homerish.
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Kwame Harris sucks, he's a bust all the way... def. doesn't add depth starting or backing up...
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i agree Harris is a bust but he has been starting at RT for a while which makes him a valuable backup....If Staley or Jennings goes down, they have a guy who they know can come in and be a servicable starter
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Well the Browns is probably crappy, but not too much worse than their first team:
QB-Anderson
RB-Jason Wright
H-B-Darnell Dinkins
WR-Travis Wilson
WR-Tim Carter
TE-Steve Heiden
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C-Seth McKinney
RG-Isaac Sowells
RT-Kelly Butler

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LOLB-Antwan Peek
LILB-Leon Williams
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Well the Browns is probably crappy, but not too much worse than their first team:
QB-Anderson
RB-Jason Wright
H-B-Darnell Dinkins
WR-Travis Wilson
WR-Tim Carter
TE-Steve Heiden
LT-Nat Dorsey
LG-Lennie Friedman
C-Seth McKinney
RG-Isaac Sowells
RT-Kelly Butler

LE-SImon Fraser
NT-Shaun Smith
RE-J'Vonne Parker
LOLB-Antwan Peek
LILB-Leon Williams
RILB-Chaun Thompson
ROLB-David McMillan
LCB-Daven Holly
RCB-Kenny Wright
FS-Mike Adams
SS-Justin Hamilton
Do we play with 3 CB's now?
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the giants backup QB could eat your backup QB. that is all
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Kwame Harris sucks, he's a bust all the way... def. doesn't add depth starting or backing up...
Kwame Harris is a very inconsistent pass protector, but a very good run blocker. Alot of people say he sucks, but he'll probably get paid by some team to start at RT next year.

I'm not a Kwame Harris fan and I really don't want MY QB's health in his hands, but his run blocking makes him low end starting material and therefore a good backup.
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Don't we already have this thread? It's titled "Which Team?" as I recall. The premise that the title suggests (pick the best backups from around the league to form a starting lineup) might be fun though.
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Don't we already have this thread? It's titled "Which Team?" as I recall. The premise that the title suggests (pick the best backups from around the league to form a starting lineup) might be fun though.
That thread is for the team with the best depth, not the best backups. Don't you understand the difference?

Because I don't see much of one...
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That thread is for the team with the best depth, not the best backups. Don't you understand the difference?

Because I don't see much of one...
That's because there isn't one. I'm all for hijacking this and turning it into the premise the title suggests.
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That's because there isn't one. I'm all for hijacking this and turning it into the premise the title suggests.
Do you mean create the greatest back-up team in the history of the NFL???
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Do you mean create the greatest back-up team in the history of the NFL???
History of the NFL would be a bit much. I was just thinking among current backups.
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Vikes have best RB depth: Taylor, AD, Moore
Raiders have best QB depth: Culpepper, McCown, Walter
Lions have best WR depth: Furrey, McDonald

this is all IMO
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Vikes have best RB depth: Taylor, AD, Moore
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this is all IMO
Raiders have AWESOME QB depth....and 0 starters....well done.
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Lions have best WR depth: Furrey, McDonald

this is all IMO
is that some kind of sick joke? I'm a Raiders fan and even I know that they're not a great stable of QBs. It's comprised of a has been, mr. mediocre and a never will be in Walter. we're just biding time until Russell actually decides his lazy ass wants to take his f'in millions and get on the damn field.
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That award would probably have to go to Tampa lol.
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Don't we already have this thread? It's titled "Which Team?" as I recall. The premise that the title suggests (pick the best backups from around the league to form a starting lineup) might be fun though.
I'll try it...

Quarterback: David Carr

Carr might not be the popular pick for the spot, but I don't see many other options. I wanted a guy who has some starting experience, and Carr did not look all that bad when he was in Houston either, he just wasn't a superstar. He did show a lot of improvement though, and with a decent O-Line could be effective.
Honorable Mention: David Garrard, Damon Huard, Billy Volek

Running Back: Michael Turner

Turner could be a starter almost anywhere in the league but San Diego. He runs hard every play, and really never gives up. He also plays big when he needs to in the clutch, he iced the game vs. Indy a couple years ago, and continues to grow as a player. His only other real competition in my mind would be Betts, who also enjoyed success as a starter. I also assumed platoon guys, like Reggie Bush or Marion Barber weren't eligible, so only actual backups to full-time starters I included.
Honorable Mention:Ladell Betts, Michael Bennett, Maurice Morris

Wide Receiver: Chris Henry, Mike Furrey

For the WR's I used #3 guys, because too many #2's serve as essentially #1's. Henry, when he's not suspended has great years, and puts up big numbers in Cincy, and Furrey is only a #3 now because Calvin Johnson is a freak, and Roy Williams is the real deal. It's hard to find guys better then these to play on your team.
Honorable Mention: Bryant Johnson, Brandon Stokley, Patrick Crayton, Drew Bennett, Wes Welker

Tight End: Desmond Clark

Assuming Olsen starts the season, Clark was a decent/good TE last year, and could probably start on a bunch of teams that didn't use a first round pick on a TE.
Honorable Mention: Steve Heiden, Jeramy Stevens, Bo Scaife

Defensive Line: Alex Brown, KGB, William Joseph, Tank Johnson

It was hard finding D-Line, there's not a whole ton of depth out there on the D-Line, but I may have just missed it. Off the top of my head I had trouble naming players, so I resorted to just searching depth charts, so I may have forgot some people, these were the best I could find. Tank's kind of cheap, but hey, techinically he's not a starter.
Honorable Mention: Jason Babin, Claude Wroten, Robert Geathers (Cincy's website has him starting, NFL.com doesn't), Tommy Kelly

Linebackers: Patrick Willis, Kendrell Bell, Dhani Jones

I didn't want to include rookies, but Willis looks to be can't-miss at MLB, so I included him in there also. Bell and Jones haven't been great lately, but they have starting experience, and are good enough to get the nod over some other players.
Honorable Mention: Carlos Polk, Brian Simmons, Abdul Hodge,

Secondary: Ricky Manning, Antonio Cromartie, Mike Doss, Stuart Schweigert

None of these guys are superstars yet, but they all have played decent to well at an NFL level, and could be starters on some other teams around hte league. Cromartie should take over as a starter soon, Manning had success with Carolina, and as a nickelback in CHI, Doss was good with the Colts and is backing up now in Minny, and Schweigart would start unless Darius was in Oakland.
Honorable Mention: Richard Marshall, Tory James, Fred Smoot, Jimmy Williams, Will Demps, Matt Giordano, Terrence Holt

I didn't bother doing the O-Line because frankly, I had a hard enough time finding some other backups for other spots, let alone spots where it's hard to tell how much better someone else is without watching film. I'm sure I missed a lot of players, overrated some, underrated some, but it's not exactly an easy thing to do so this was the best I got.

Edit: Feel free to tear it apart, I just wanted to make a starting point for the discussion.

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Raiders have best QB depth: Culpepper, McCown, Walter

this is all IMO
You know if you're starter really sucks and you're backups are all about good enough to be #2 QBs, then you don't have the best QB depth, you have a bunch of lousy QBs. The best QB depth goes to a team who actually has a decent starting QB.
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Panthers have won 16 of their last 18 preseason games, so take that for what it's worth in this discussion. Preseason is the only time our entire roster is healthy.
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overall not a bad list, some people you left off but one thing I just have to call you out on....How in gods name do you have Michael Bennett as an honorable mention to Michael Bennett, sure he had a good year awhile back with the Vikes and he has the whole fastest player in the NFL stigma, but the dude hasnt been healthy in a long time, he hasnt done jack in this league in a long time, I dont believe he still has the talent he used to. Flat out I think he is one of the absolute worst backup running backs in this league and the lack of a decent no. 2 back is one of the biggest holes on the KC team because in this day and age it is all about having 2 back systems and the Chiefs by making Bennett their no. 2 are essentially putting the entire burden on Larry Johnson, and it could cut his career short.
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