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Old 08-14-2007, 10:11 PM    (permalink
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And for the last time, he said on the hotseat THIS SEASON
"5) Mike Nolan

Here's where it gets interesting. Currently nobody is talking about Nolan being on the hot seat, and that the Niners are a team primed for a huge upswing, but here's the kicker. What if it doesn't happen? What if Alex Smith doesn't develop? What if the money spent in the offseason doesn't result in a playoff berth? Mike Nolan's future is directly tied to Alex Smith. If Smith succeeds, Nolan is a hero. If not....he's a guy with an 11-21 record in San Fran. Some may criticize this pick, but the days of San Fran being a low-pressure job are over. Just like Crennel, he needs to produce or he could be gonzo. This is the same owner that fired Dennis Erickson after two season and Mariucci after he won the division and a playoff game."


That right there clearly states why he's on the hot seat and it all has to do with the final record of the team. Winning record and possible playoff berth, he's off the hot seat; 4-5 wins, he's waiting for a pink slip and typing up his resume.
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On another note, Nicklas Backstrom is amazingly good.
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Meanwhile, in hockey the other night, the Washington Capitals' Eric Belanger gets hit with a stick, loses EIGHT teeth, has an instant root canal in the locker room, comes back out and PLAYS and never says boo.

So new rule, NBA: Unless you have a root canal at halftime, SHUT UP AND PLAY!
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wow and your football IQ drops again, nice assumptions there buddy. let's just ignore what he's done this offseason and the countless people who would agree that he has the team energized and headed in the right direction.
No offense, but didn't we hear the same exact statements from Raiders fans about Art Shell last year?

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For the last time, he will be if they only win 4-5 games!
Nolan will be here long term even if the Niners by some chance struggle this season.
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Nolan will be here long term even if the Niners by some chance struggle this season.
Gents the owner of the 49ers is a poster on our forum.........
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So new rule, NBA: Unless you have a root canal at halftime, SHUT UP AND PLAY!
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Gents the owner of the 49ers is a poster on our forum.........
Like you saying Nolan will be fired if the Niners struggle this season gives you anymore inside Knowledge then any other Niner fan.
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Like you saying Nolan will be fired if the Niners struggle this season gives you anymore inside Knowledge then any other Niner fan.
I'm not a 49ers fan, never have nor will I ever be, hence me having a more unbiased opinion of the realities of his job situation.
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So new rule, NBA: Unless you have a root canal at halftime, SHUT UP AND PLAY!
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I'm not a 49ers fan, never have nor will I ever be, hence me having a more unbiased opinion of the realities of his job situation.
Or, maybe because he is a Niners' fan, he has his finger more on the pulse of what other Niner fans are thinking. And based on the improvement and change in attitude around the team, Nolan has bought himself a good deal of goodwill/slack from the local fanbase.
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Or, maybe because he is a Niners' fan, he has his finger more on the pulse of what other Niner fans are thinking. And based on the improvement and change in attitude around the team, Nolan has bought himself a good deal of goodwill/slack from the local fanbase.
Maybe but the fans don't decide who stays and how goes now do they? Like it or not this is a make or break year for Nolan.
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Meanwhile, in hockey the other night, the Washington Capitals' Eric Belanger gets hit with a stick, loses EIGHT teeth, has an instant root canal in the locker room, comes back out and PLAYS and never says boo.

So new rule, NBA: Unless you have a root canal at halftime, SHUT UP AND PLAY!
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What is this improvement that Niners fans keep talking about? Yeah you aren't at the bottom of the barrel anymore but I swear some of you are talking like the Niners have already accomplished something. You won 7 games last year and you still got absolutely blown out against almost every good team you played. I mean...you got swept by the Cardinals...seriously...get a grip.
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What is this improvement that Niners fans keep talking about? Yeah you aren't at the bottom of the barrel anymore but I swear some of you are talking like the Niners have already accomplished something. You won 7 games last year and you still got absolutely blown out against almost every good team you played. I mean...you got swept by the Cardinals...seriously...get a grip.
But they spent 100+ million on Nate Clements and Michael Lewis and traded for Darrell Jackson.............................


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Meanwhile, in hockey the other night, the Washington Capitals' Eric Belanger gets hit with a stick, loses EIGHT teeth, has an instant root canal in the locker room, comes back out and PLAYS and never says boo.

So new rule, NBA: Unless you have a root canal at halftime, SHUT UP AND PLAY!
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I mean..was Art Shell a poor coach? Sure. But why does a guy that wasn't even entrusted to run a college offense going to make drastic improvements in the NFL with overall terrible talent?
I could be wrong about this, but I'm almost certain that Kiffin called the plays at USC while also directing the recruiting department. I'm not sold on the guy or the team yet, but there's more talent and a vastly more modern approach this year than there was last.

The offense will still struggle, the defense will still be less than stellar against the run, and who knows how Russell will pan out, but the team is actually going somewhere, which is something I haven't seen in a long time.

On the original topic:

If Mike Nolan wins 4-5 games (and does so in a truly inept manner), then sure, he's on the hot seat. But that seems like a pretty ridiculous premise when you consider the 49ers position. Nothing suggests that team is headed anywhere but up at this point.

Other than that, I liked the list and the analysis that went along with it.
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What is this improvement that Niners fans keep talking about? Yeah you aren't at the bottom of the barrel anymore but I swear some of you are talking like the Niners have already accomplished something. You won 7 games last year and you still got absolutely blown out against almost every good team you played. I mean...you got swept by the Cardinals...seriously...get a grip.
If you can't see the Niners are improving maybe you need wake up and pay a little more attention instead of asking What If a thousand times. This offseason we used a great mixture of both free agency and the draft to improve the team and we didn't have any huge losses personnel wise. Last season Alex went through his first( At only 22 years old) full season as a starter so of course he took his bumps and bruises against tough teams like the Chiefs, Chargers and Bears. Now if any fan should know anything about giving a young QB his first full season to develop it should be a bears fan considering Grossman finally just had his.

BTW seeing as how the Bears needed two defensive turnovers for Td's, a last minute miracle punt return by Devin Hester while Grossman threw 4 ints. I definitely wouldn't make it seem like the Cards were a cakewalk at times this season. Besides both Cardinal victories over the Niners were by 7 points or less, not exactly dominance.
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I could be wrong about this, but I'm almost certain that Kiffin called the plays at USC while also directing the recruiting department. I'm not sold on the guy or the team yet, but there's more talent and a vastly more modern approach this year than there was last.
Offensive play calling responsibilities for USC were shared during this period with QB coach Steve Sarkisian having on the field approval for Kiffin’s suggestions and head coach Pete Carroll maintaining veto power. Lack of clarity and final say over play calling responsibility has left some controversy over how much decision making power Kiffin wielded versus Sarkisian and Carroll during his two year tenure as offensive coordinator.

So...you're not wrong, but you're not really right either. When I said he wasn't entrusted to run the offense I didn't mean he had no part, but it's similar to the way Brad Childress 'ran' the offense in Philadelphia when everyone knows that Andy Reid had final authority.



As for the Niners. Congrats. You won the offseason. Look how well that's worked out for the Panthers and Redskins the last few years. You'd think people would learn at some point.
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No offense, but didn't we hear the same exact statements from Raiders fans about Art Shell last year?

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no we didn't. you heard media propoganda about shell bringing the "discipline back" but all along if you read into it further you could see that from TC reports that the offensive was a blunder of epic proportions. I actually read an article that said that the coaches barely knew the players names. Our ST coach called Stu "Steve." You also could have read that of all our 3 "line coaches" each tought a different technique. This year, all the players are known by name, the line has 1 voice in Tom Cable and the offense has been schemed to fit this era, and wasn't dusted off from underneath a bed and breakfast bed. That alone is worth another couple wins. I'm not trying to homer out and call for a huge turnaround but we won't be in the cellar of the league after this year at all. I also love how USC fans blame Kiffin for bad play calling but in here Carroll and Sark had power to veto....interesting.
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no we didn't. you heard media propoganda about shell bringing the "discipline back" but all along if you read into it further you could see that from TC reports that the offensive was a blunder of epic proportions. I actually read an article that said that the coaches barely knew the players names. Our ST coach called Stu "Steve." You also could have read that of all our 3 "line coaches" each tought a different technique. This year, all the players are known by name, the line has 1 voice in Tom Cable and the offense has been schemed to fit this era, and wasn't dusted off from underneath a bed and breakfast bed. That alone is worth another couple wins. I'm not trying to homer out and call for a huge turnaround but we won't be in the cellar of the league after this year at all. I also love how USC fans blame Kiffin for bad play calling but in here Carroll and Sark had power to veto....interesting.
So the turmoil at the QB position, the lack of any real receiving threats, and a still horrendous offensive line won't leave them in the cellar.
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So new rule, NBA: Unless you have a root canal at halftime, SHUT UP AND PLAY!
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So the turmoil at the QB position, the lack of any real receiving threats, and a still horrendous offensive line won't leave them in the cellar.
where are you getting this horrendous line from? I know it was preseason but they opened up gaping holes and allowed 0 sacks in their first real test with cutting down defenders. Last year in the preseason opener the line gave up 4 an indication of things to come. There's no turmoil at QB either, Kiffin will pick 1, more than likely McCown to open, with Culpepper likely to step in if/when he falters. Walter is probably the odd man out when Russell signs. The receiving core is servicable, Curry is very solid as a #2 and Porter has had a couple standout seasons as well, there's no true #1 as of yet but both players want to play unlike Moss and we've pushed god awful Whitted out of the lineup. The offense is shaping out to be average or slightly below, but that's better than an offense that posted 12 scores over 16 games. You of course are speaking out of your ass based on what you've seen reported on ESPN and NFLN, which like to play up controversy, just like them saying Russell isn't close to signing even though he's been in the bay area the last few days, but that doesn't make for good TV. but go ahead throw some more stupid assumptions out there buddy.
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As for the Niners. Congrats. You won the offseason. Look how well that's worked out for the Panthers and Redskins the last few years. You'd think people would learn at some point.
Learn what? That having a good offseason means the team is going to suck and the head coach will get fired?

You based your Nolan prediction in a unlikely and unreliable premise, and acting like it's a done deal that the Niners go 4-12 or 5-11 won't change that. On top of that you ranked Nolan rather high on a list of coaches in danger of losing their jobs simply on that premise.

You could basically argue that almost any coach is going to feel a lot of heat for winning only 4-5 games with a team that has playoff aspirations.
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where are you getting this horrendous line from? I know it was preseason but they opened up gaping holes and allowed 0 sacks in their first real test with cutting down defenders. Last year in the preseason opener the line gave up 4 an indication of things to come. There's no turmoil at QB either, Kiffin will pick 1, more than likely McCown to open, with Culpepper likely to step in if/when he falters. Walter is probably the odd man out when Russell signs. The receiving core is servicable, Curry is very solid as a #2 and Porter has had a couple standout seasons as well, there's no true #1 as of yet but both players want to play unlike Moss and we've pushed god awful Whitted out of the lineup. The offense is shaping out to be average or slightly below, but that's better than an offense that posted 12 scores over 16 games. You of course are speaking out of your ass based on what you've seen reported on ESPN and NFLN, which like to play up controversy, just like them saying Russell isn't close to signing even though he's been in the bay area the few days, but that doesn't make for good TV. but go ahead throw some more stupid assumptions out there buddy.

Nice homer comeback. Yes you have turmoil at the QB spot with your choices being McNown or Culpepper not to mention that you still haven't signed Russell. Again no real receiving threats, Porter is coming off a season to forget and has to try and regain his old form and Curry is always an injury risk. This is not speaking out of my ass, its simple logic. As for the line, it was the worst in the league last year and nothing drastic was done to really address it, but hey if you want to hail their greatness based on 1 preseason game go ahead. Just wait until facing the Broncos or Chargers and you'll be reminded of the mediocrity of the line once again. As for the Raiders being mentioned on ESPN or NFLN, I just switch the channel because I just consider it a commercial.
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Learn what? That having a good offseason means the team is going to suck and the head coach will get fired?

You based your Nolan prediction in a unlikely and unreliable premise, and acting like it's a done deal that the Niners go 4-12 or 5-11 won't change that. On top of that you ranked Nolan rather high on a list of coaches in danger of losing their jobs simply on that premise.

You could basically argue that almost any coach is going to feel a lot of heat for winning only 4-5 games with a team that has playoff aspirations.
Not really. Coaches that have proven success are much less likely to be fired after a down season. For example, if the Bears only won 5 games next year, Lovie Smith would still have a job, he's earned that. That alone knocks about 10 guys off the top.

Also, I never said that the Niners would win 4-5 games. But, in terms of ranking them, after the first four it's pretty up for grabs. Are the Niners more likely to have a losing season than the Panthers and Bengals? You bet your ass they are. So...after the four most obvious guys, you're basically choosing between Fox, Lewis, Nolan, Gibbs and Del Rio. Admittedly Del Rio probably should be higher than Nolan, and maybe Gibbs too, but you can't convince me the other two should. They are much more likely to see success this year. I'm not going on the assumption that the Niners will win 4-5 games, but I'm also not going on the assumption that they are somehow going to improve until they do something substantial on the field. Call me crazy but I like reasoned empirical proof when I'm speculating.
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Nice homer comeback. Yes you have turmoil at the QB spot with your choices being McNown or Culpepper not to mention that you still haven't signed Russell. Again no real receiving threats, Porter is coming off a season to forget and has to try and regain his old form and Curry is always an injury risk. This is not speaking out of my ass, its simple logic. As for the line, it was the worst in the league last year and nothing drastic was done to really address it, but hey if you want to hail their greatness based on 1 preseason game go ahead. Just wait until facing the Broncos or Chargers and you'll be reminded of the mediocrity of the line once again. As for the Raiders being mentioned on ESPN or NFLN, I just switch the channel because I just consider it a commercial.
You are seriosuly clueless... there's no arguing with someone who has no logic. McCown has the mobility needed to run the offense we've installed, and Culpepper seemed a bit stiff but was rolling out something he didn't do all of last year. So we have 2 QBS that fit our scheme but there's turmoil because one is coming off a 2 year old injury and the other has never had a chance to start for a semi-workable squad? I didn't know that missing a year was impossible to come back from, i guess Porter should give up now. I'm not hailing the lines' greatness based on a preseason game, but the imporvement was obvious, I bet you din't watch the game so I'm sure you wouldn't know. Funny you mention the Broncos despite them having a horrid pass rush last season, and are yet to show much improvement this year. The Chargers beat up on a lot of people last year and I'm sure they'll do the same this year to us considering that we're not on an elite level like they are, so wow, we're going to get beat by the best team in the AFC. It's ok you made your ignorant comment int he end there too, I'd bash your QB situation which is worse than ours, but I'm cool with T-Sizzle so I can't hate on the Ravens.
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I'm just curious SubNoize, how many games do you think the Raiders will win this year?
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You are seriosuly clueless... there's no arguing with someone who has no logic. McCown has the mobility needed to run the offense we've installed, and Culpepper seemed a bit stiff but was rolling out something he didn't do all of last year. So we have 2 QBS that fit our scheme but there's turmoil because one is coming off a 2 year old injury and the other has never had a chance to start for a semi-workable squad? I didn't know that missing a year was impossible to come back from, i guess Porter should give up now. I'm not hailing the lines' greatness based on a preseason game, but the imporvement was obvious, I bet you din't watch the game so I'm sure you wouldn't know. Funny you mention the Broncos despite them having a horrid pass rush last season, and are yet to show much improvement this year. The Chargers beat up on a lot of people last year and I'm sure they'll do the same this year to us considering that we're not on an elite level like they are, so wow, we're going to get beat by the best team in the AFC. It's ok you made your ignorant comment int he end there too, I'd bash your QB situation which is worse than ours, but I'm cool with T-Sizzle so I can't hate on the Ravens.
First of all, I hate to say it, but the Ravens' QB situation is set with McNair and regardless our situation is irrelevant to this conversation. Secondly your basing your assessment of your QB position being stable on the backs of 2 journey men QB's? McNown was relegated to being a 3rd string WR in order to get into games and Culpepper has yet to prove he has recovered from that horrific injury, but now all of a sudden with a Raider uniform on their backs all is changed? And lastly the Broncos, yeah they didn't do nothing to improve their defense, they didn't trade for Dre Bly or draft Jarvin Moss or Marcus Thomas............
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I'm just curious SubNoize, how many games do you think the Raiders will win this year?
I'm saying 5 or 6 for now until I see more improvement on offense with best case scenario being 7.
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First of all, I hate to say it, but the Ravens' QB situation is set with McNair and regardless our situation is irrelevant to this conversation. Secondly your basing your assessment of your QB position being stable on the backs of 2 journey men QB's? McNown was relegated to being a 3rd string WR in order to get into games and Culpepper has yet to prove he has recovered from that horrific injury, but now all of a sudden with a Raider uniform on their backs all is changed? And lastly the Broncos, yeah they didn't do nothing to improve their defense, they didn't trade for Dre Bly or draft Jarvin Moss or Marcus Thomas............
so you're basing Denver getting better on drafting 2 rookies, one who couldn't keep his ass out of trouble? Tim Crowder would have been better than tossing in Thomas, but I don't know what the outcome of his injury was from the game the other night. Dre Bly is highly overrated and does nothing for the pass rush, so that was irrelevant. Culpepper is a journeyman now? Also if you would have paid attention to my statement you would notice the mention of Culpepper being able to roll out, a good sign that the knee has progressed. McCown, which you can't spell, was moved to WR by the Lions, I have little room to talk but when was the last time they made a good personnel decision? I'm not acting like anything has changed, you're just clueless talking about Raider football and shouldn't talk. You say the Ravens are set at QB, but for how long? Is McNair not an oft-injured player as well who's backed up by a bust QB in Boller, yeah you guys are perfect there.
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