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Old 09-02-2007, 06:21 AM    (permalink
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How much does the loss to ASU impact recruiting? If I'm a guy considering Michigan and I play D, I can't commit there fast enough haha. They need speed and playmakers, especially in the secondary. Boubacar Cissoko, Warren and Williams are all good starts, but there's a need for more. So how much do you guys think it affects things since it probably means Carr is gone.
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Why couldnt you commit fast enough? Michigan is KNOWN for not developing top talent over the last 5 years. They have top 10 recruiting classes every year but their overall record and performance never reflects it of late.

D players go to OSU, underachievers go to scUM.

Chad Henne = Steve Bellisari

How many of you Michigan fans still think he is the best QB in the country?
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Why couldnt you commit fast enough? Michigan is KNOWN for not developing top talent over the last 5 years. They have top 10 recruiting classes every year but their overall record and performance never reflects it of late.

D players go to OSU, underachievers go to scUM.

Chad Henne = Steve Bellisari

How many of you Michigan fans still think he is the best QB in the country?
Considering none of us thought he was the best, I'll say none.
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Considering none of us thought he was the best, I'll say none.
Wow someone ate Crow? I hear this stuff all summer on the college boards before they got deleated.

Back to the subject (I apologize for trailing off)

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No recruit in their right mind would want to play deffense for Michigan unless they are just a huge fan of the school right now. They are no producing the talent like a powerhouse school should.
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The true test will be how we come out next week. If this is going to be the tone of our season then it will negatively impact recruiting, however if we get our act together and play how we are capiable of playing for the rest of the season it should be fine.

JM- nobody here puts any stock into anything you say. Your posts are meaningless about Mich football. You have no credability.
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I don't think the poor defensive play is gonna lure defensive recruits. Ohio State, USC, and LSU always are stacked on D and recruit great defensive players. That's how the trend works, not the other way around. But I don't think the loss to ASU will really effect UM recruting much except for this:
Lloyd Carr is gonna retire or resign after the year more likely than not, even if he had beaten ASU he probably would've. Teams changing coaches always hurts recruting, recruits don't like it when one coaching staff promises them something and then another staff comes in and promises something else. This will especially hurt fringe recruits who are considering Michigan but are torn between them and other schools just as much.
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I don't think the loss will affect UM too much, most guys commit because because they like the atmosphere, coaching staff, and the facilities. If Carr leaves and the next head coach isn't from his staff, they might lose some recruits though.

A loss is a loss, it happens sometimes, as long as UM doesn't implode this year i.e. 5 or less wins, it probably is a non issue for recruits.
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Wow, theres a difference between a troll and an Ohio State fan being glad that Michigan lost. But since you guys are the losers I will shut up because no matter what OSU will never embarrass our conference like you guys did.

And you can say Fire Lloyd carr all you want but there comes a point where Michigan players should just beat a Div 2 school no matter who the coach is. Your players arent as good as you like to think.
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Wow, theres a difference between a troll and an Ohio State fan being glad that Michigan lost. But since you guys are the losers I will shut up because no matter what OSU will never embarrass our conference like you guys did.

And you can say Fire Lloyd carr all you want but there comes a point where Michigan players should just beat a Div 2 school no matter who the coach is. Your players arent as good as you like to think.
Anyone else hear all that hot air that seems to be inflating this guys head? It's freakin' loud, and I am in need of some sleep.
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Anyone else hear all that hot air that seems to be inflating this guys head? It's freakin' loud, and I am in need of some sleep.
I remember the National Championship game from last year.
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its not the fact they lost to asu, its the fact that they have no idea who there coach is going to be when they get there. going into a situation like that is hard, mainly because you dont know the scheme, which makes you think how you would be utilized, and maybe the new coach will run a defense that doesnt get you enough opportunities to make plays.

that being said, they are Michigan, and i don't think it will hurt a lot but there defitnaly will be a slight drop off.
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I don't think that one loss will hurt their recruiting, if they can come back and play angry for the rest of the season.
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I don't think that one loss will hurt their recruiting, if they can come back and play angry for the rest of the season.
if asu can put up 30+, imagine what an offense like oregon can do, its going to be a high scoring game, no doubt about it.
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I'm not sure if that game was just a fluke, with Michigan just not being mentally prepared, or if their defense is just that bad. Just looking at it, their defense should be in the upper-tier of the Big Ten.
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on cstv, they were talking about jeff tedford to michigan, what do you mich fans think?
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on cstv, they were talking about jeff tedford to michigan, what do you mich fans think?
Ryan Mallett's NFL would be screwed.
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Wow, theres a difference between a troll and an Ohio State fan being glad that Michigan lost. But since you guys are the losers I will shut up because no matter what OSU will never embarrass our conference like you guys did.

And you can say Fire Lloyd carr all you want but there comes a point where Michigan players should just beat a Div 2 school no matter who the coach is. Your players arent as good as you like to think.
so getting less than 100 yards of offense in the NC game with the Heisman winner at QB ISN'T embarrassing your conference?

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Wow, theres a difference between a troll and an Ohio State fan being glad that Michigan lost.
Yes, and you are being a troll. If you were just "an Ohio State fan being glad that Michigan lost" then I'd have no problem with you.
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I'm not sure if that game was just a fluke, with Michigan just not being mentally prepared, or if their defense is just that bad. Just looking at it, their defense should be in the upper-tier of the Big Ten.
I initially thought that the last sentence had to be a fluke, before I looked at their depth chart and saw a bunch of blue chippers up front.

There are a few problems with Michigan's defense.

A)Coaching - Michigan's coaching is not up to par. There defense is never ranked as high as there talent dictates they shoudl be. This is due to poor coaching.
B)Underachieving Players - Gabe Watson never quite played him to his potential. Then there's Prescott Burgess, Lamarr Woodley etc. Ironically some of there better defensive players weren't very highly rated coming out of high school. Ernest Shazor and Marlin Jackson immediately come to mind.
C)Depth - There defense is stacked up front when you look at Rivals ratings, but it gets weaker as you go back. There secondary is mostly no names and lowly rated players. Morgan Trent was the 24th wideout coming out of high school. Johnny Sears... well you know all about him. ASU was able to exploit there defense because they get rid of the ball so fast and throw it to the middle of the field. The Michigan Defense is more setup to be stout against the run and to kill you if you hold onto the ball. That's Big Ten Style, but versus the Option offense it will kill you.

At the end of the day the talent you bring in matters, but coaching matters alot as well. Penn State fielded their best defense the year they had Alan Zemaitis and Anwar Phillips. Neither of those guys were anything close to blue chippers coming out of high school. Anthony Scirotto, arguably the best safety in the Big Ten, was the 46th safety out of high school... 46th! Tony Davis was the 47th CB out of H.S. Sometimes I look at teams and it's evident which ones have good defensive coaches and which ones don't. Virginia Tech fields the best defense year in and year out and on paper it doesn't compare to USC. Where does USC finish in the defensive rankings every year? Exactly.
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How did LaMarr Woodley underachieve? He was an ILB coming out of HS and he made the transition to a DE/OLB tweener. In two years he had 17 sacks, 30.5 TFL, and 7 FF.
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How did LaMarr Woodley underachieve? He was an ILB coming out of HS and he made the transition to a DE/OLB tweener. In two years he had 17 sacks, 30.5 TFL, and 7 FF.
I'm also curious to hear that logic
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Cross his name off. You still get the point though. For every Alan Branch and Lamar Woodley... theres a Gabe Watson and Prescott Burgess. Not saying other teams don't have this problem, but it's a more common occurance at Michigan.
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Virginia Tech fields the best defense year in and year out and on paper it doesn't compare to USC. Where does USC finish in the defensive rankings every year? Exactly.

Defensive rankings don't tell the whole story.

USC ranked 20th in total defense last year but you can't tell me the likes of Boise State (14th), Wyoming (9th), Western Michigan (11th) had better defenses.

Obviously who you play has a lot of say in the matter. The Pac-10 is an offense oriented conference. Oregon and Cal would put up 30 pts vs. 90% of CFB. Notre Dame has been a great offense in recent years. But USC still managed decent numbers on defense.

The proof is in the pudding. The trio of Chad Henne, Mike Hart and Mario Manningham? Shut down for 10 points until a garbabe time touchdown.


If USC played the likes of Duke, Virginia, NC State, and North Carolina they would all be held to under 15 points. And be ranked in the top 5 annually.

Virginia Tech is a good defensive ball club. But please don't hint at their defensive coaching being superior to USC's just because they feast on weak offensive teams and play conservative ball control offense.

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