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Old 09-02-2007, 10:04 PM    (permalink
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I have a question that intrigues me. Why do people get so hung up on bowl games? (Yes, Michigan is 0-4 in their last 4 bowl games, I'm aware. Just go with it) Everyone makes a big deal of this bowl, that bowl. In reality, other than the NC game, isn't it just another OOC game? Maybe I'm wrong, but the whole "Yay we won our bowl game" and buy "GMAC INTERNATIONAL BOWL CHAMPS" t-shirts is just kind of weird. Maybe it's just me.
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With vandy last bowl game being in 1982, it would be huge if we made one this year, most people fell like it's "there Teams" championship game, so i can see why it is a big deal to people.
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They get money for winning right?
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yessir thats why its such a big deal to the schools... plus it gives schools an opportunity to win their last "important" game
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don't go dissing the International Bowl now ya hear :p

and smitty, we are going to a bowl this year (NCAA 08 has made me a fan of Vanderbilt), so it will be mucho importante
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As a fan it's nice to see a team finish the season well. Losing 40-3 to LSU and their backup QB sucked big time, but it doesn't really matter much more than a big rivalry game.
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As a fan it's nice to see a team finish the season well. Losing 40-3 to LSU and their backup QB sucked big time, but it doesn't really matter much more than a big rivalry game.
Or a conference game to a kinda rival, which is why I didn't understand a PSU fan's argument that winning two bowl games was better than not beating Michigan in 10 years.
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Unless the bowl is very low level, it definitely has the most relevance of any game during season.

1. For the seniors, it will be the last game of their career, and for some juniors as well. At the very least, it's the end of a player's season. Therefore, just about every player on the field is going to play with intensity.

2. It's on a neutral field, so there's no built in advantages.

3. If you are selected to a bowl, generally you're going to meet a pretty good team.

4. It's a relative indicator of the strength of conferences. As a result it's an opportunity to learn who is better than their record and who is worse, as a result of their conference.

5. Both teams have an ample amount of time to prepare.

6. I think most importantly, the game shows a team's ability to improve throughout the season with game reps. Especially in college football, early season tilts aren't fully indicative of a team's ability because you're dealing with a lot of turnover, and inexperienced 18 and 19 year olds.
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If the bowls don't matter, why do any of the games?
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For conference purposes. Basically this is me beating around the bush in favor of a playoff. I don't give a **** who wins between the #22 team and #25 team in the Bumble **** Bowl. I want to see a bad ass 16 team tournament.
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Unless it's the Grand Daddy of them all, the Rose Bowl.
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As a fan it's nice to see a team finish the season well. Losing 40-3 to LSU and their backup QB sucked big time, but it doesn't really matter much more than a big rivalry game.
Our backup QB sucked? He's a hell of alot better than anyone UM had or has at the moment. Sorry dude, just cause UM sucks balls doesn't mean LSUs QB sucked.
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For conference purposes. Basically this is me beating around the bush in favor of a playoff. I don't give a **** who wins between the #22 team and #25 team in the Bumble **** Bowl. I want to see a bad ass 16 team tournament.
Why can't you do both. The lower level bowls will be just as meaningful/meaningless.

16 team playoff may be stretching things....that's 4 weeks. I think 8 teams is plenty, and shave off an OOC game. Every major team with 1 loss is included, and maybe even a couple with 2. If you haven't taken care of business outside of one aberration game, I don't feel sorry if you're excluded. And you probably don't have a legit claim to best team in the land.

Like I've said before, the only fans who believe the current system is more beneficial than a playoff are brainwashed by the powers that be.
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Calm down, thats not what he meant at all.
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Why can't you do both. The lower level bowls will be just as meaningful/meaningless.

16 team playoff may be stretching things....that's 4 weeks. I think 8 teams is plenty, and shave off an OOC game. Every major team with 1 loss is included, and maybe even a couple with 2. If you haven't taken care of business outside of one aberration game, I don't feel sorry if you're excluded. And you probably don't have a legit claim to best team in the land.

Like I've said before, the only fans who believe the current system is more beneficial than a playoff are brainwashed by the powers that be.
Every other level is able to do a tournament. We can do it for 1-A too. But 8 could work too. 16 would be godly though. But I agree with your points.
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This yea for Notre Dame I know it isnt a reality, but I would rather ND beat Penn State then win any bowl game. That is if they even make a bowl which dont look to good right now. So just go out as 16 point underdogs this week, and pull off a giant upset for good ol RyanLeaf#1
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This yea for Notre Dame I know it isnt a reality, but I would rather ND beat Penn State then win any bowl game. That is if they even make a bowl which dont look to good right now. So just go out as 16 point underdogs this week, and pull off a giant upset for good ol RyanLeaf#1
Yeah I get what you mean. I'd rather beat OSU, ND or PSU than win some bowl game. Just has more meaning to me. Is that what ND is? 16 point dogs?
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Our backup QB sucked? He's a hell of alot better than anyone UM had or has at the moment. Sorry dude, just cause UM sucks balls doesn't mean LSUs QB sucked.
He didn't say your backup QB sucked. He said it sucked to lose to him.
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the main thing is it gives teams momentum into the next year, not just from a team morale standpoint, but also it gives the voters a thing to remember, for next years rankings. example a: texas beating michigan in the rose bowl
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Do you listen?? He said losing to LSU and their back up QB suck, not your back up QB buddy....
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Yeah I get what you mean. I'd rather beat OSU, ND or PSU than win some bowl game. Just has more meaning to me. Is that what ND is? 16 point dogs?
ND is and has been overrated the past 2 seasons. THey haven't won a bowl game either. And as for OSU, well... the last time you beat them, Ernest Shazor was the safety back there. And heck, he had more heart than most of your secondary combined.

Why is winning the Bowl games a big deal?

A)You show everyone on a NATIONAL stage that you are the ****. You go out of conference and pull out victories against traditional powerhouses like FSU And Tennesse, on national TV.
B)You bring pride to the conference that you make reference to so much. You win all the games in your conference for what? Not for some stupid "Conference Title" which means nothing outside of your conference. You win all those games so you can go to the best possible bowl game, and prove to the rest of America that you are indeed the best from that conference.
C)You prove that you can win "The Big Game." For some teams the big games include games in their own conference against Rivals. These are important, however more important than anything is to win your Bowl Game. It's the biggest one of the season, highest exposure and the one that culminates the year. If you lose your bowl game, you're going into the next season as losers. Everyone looks at your team as a disappointment and knows you couldn't finish. If you win, you ride off momentum. Less questions hang on your team, your leaders and your coach.

Michigan wouldn't know much about any of these 3 things. And last I checked, you haven't beaten OSU since we have beaten them so drop that arguement. Yea, beating OSU's and Michigan's are important. So is beating App State.
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Originally Posted by NittanyLion2k7 View Post

Michigan wouldn't know much about any of these 3 things. And last I checked, you haven't beaten OSU since we have beaten them so drop that arguement. Yea, beating OSU's and Michigan's are important. So is beating App State.
Dude...you have not beaten Michigan in 10 ******* YEARS! And ND was overrated and smacked the taste out of your mouth last year, so I don't know how you can talk about teams being overrated. Cool, you beat a mightily overrated Tennessee team and a FSU team with no offense. Way to hang your hat on that. I'm not making every thread a pissing match between you and I, so come up with other stuff besides "OMGZ LOLZ MICHIGAN LOST TO APP. STATE HAHAHAHAHAHAH OMGZ WE'RE DA **** BECAUSE WE LOSE TO EVERY GOOD TEAM WE PLAY".
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