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Old 11-13-2007, 12:24 PM    (permalink
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Didn't Pittsburgh lose to Arizona in Arizona this year? Steve Young said that the desert is where teams go to die. Detroit just flops on the road take it for what you will.
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Detroit gave up 31 points last week and thats what is going to lose games. Yeah there were turn overs, but thats where your defense has to come in and get the stops on 3rd down. Giving up 25+ points is likely to be the norm during most of the next 7 games. That will be on the defense.
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The Lions turned the ball over (on offense) 5 times... whereas the defense forced 4 turnovers (1 INT, 3 FFs). I don't care how great your defense is... if you turn the ball over 5 times, there's a good chance that you'll lose. The defense played a solid game, but the Cards had great field position on most drives.

Did you watch the game? Apparently not. It wasn't the defense's fault... the offense failed miserably.
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Didn't Pittsburgh lose to Arizona in Arizona this year? Steve Young said that the desert is where teams go to die. Detroit just flops on the road take it for what you will.
Dont the lions have a history have being bad on the road?
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The Lions turned the ball over (on offense) 5 times... whereas the defense forced 4 turnovers (1 INT, 3 FFs). I don't care how great your defense is... if you turn the ball over 5 times, there's a good chance that you'll lose. The defense played a solid game, but the Cards had great field position on most drives.

Did you watch the game? Apparently not. It wasn't the defense's fault... the offense failed miserably.
I didnt see much of the game, so I really cant comment to much on it. Aparently detroit had -1 on turn overs though, thats not horrible. Regardless I fully expect to see a lot of points to be put up against detroit during the final stretch of the season. The giants are next, so we will see how the defense handles them. Detroit started out a 1 point favorite, but that already has changed to a 2 point underdog. Its expected that about 50 points will be scored in the game.
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I didnt see much of the game, so I really cant comment to much on it. Aparently detroit had -1 on turn overs though, thats not horrible. Regardless I fully expect to see a lot of points to be put up against detroit during the final stretch of the season. The giants are next, so we will see how the defense handles them. Detroit started out a 1 point favorite, but that already has changed to a 2 point underdog. Its expected that about 50 points will be scored in the game.
Yeah... Detroit had a -1 in turnovers. In other words, the offense turned the ball over 5 freaking times (and punted 4 times) and the defense still managed to get 4 takeaways. I repeat: the offense turned the ball over 5 (freaking) times and the defense still managed to get 4 takeaways.
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Detroit gave up 31 points last week and thats what is going to lose games.
Detroit gave up 31 points because they turned the ball over, not because the defense didn't perform. They gave the ball away 9 times... there were 9 situations where the offense failed to perform.

This is a great example of what I've been talking about through this thread. "Detroit has the worst PPG against in the division! The defense sucks!". When you look into it, you see something much different.

And, yes... you'll probably see a lot of points put up against us during the final stretch. Why? We face the Cowboys (2nd in the NFL in scoring), Packers (twice, 6th in the NFL in scoring), Giants (8th in the NFL in scoring) and the Chargers (10th in the NFL in scoring). I wont think less of the defense for giving up points against these teams... but, if the D can manage to continue to create turnovers, it'll say a lot.
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Well, I guess when you are a Lions fan, you learn to celebrate mediocrity.
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Well, I guess when you are a Lions fan, you learn to celebrate mediocrity.
Wow... pointless... has nothing to do with the post. Good one, though... you'll probably get a good laugh from the other Vikes/Bears/Packers' fans on the board. Just a shame that you can't give a real response.
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Wow... pointless... has nothing to do with the post. Good one, though... you'll probably get a good laugh from the other Vikes/Bears/Packers' fans on the board. Just a shame that you can't give a real response.
What, like the ones we have all been making for 5 pages? The ones that you continuously ignore? Those real responses? You claiming turnovers nullify the points given up(or even funnier, if you throw out certain games) are not worthy of any more real responses.
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What, like the ones we have all been making for 5 pages? The ones that you continuously ignore? Those real responses? You claiming turnovers nullify the points given up(or even funnier, if you throw out certain games) are not worthy of any more real responses.
It's totally pointless. The funny thing is that he plays it off as if the Bears/Packers/Vikings fans have an anti-Lions agenda when it's really just everyone recognizing his ****** arguments for what they are. I mean...to unite those three fans over anything is a remarkable feat in itself.
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What, like the ones we have all been making for 5 pages? The ones that you continuously ignore? Those real responses? You claiming turnovers nullify the points given up(or even funnier, if you throw out certain games) are not worthy of any more real responses.
I've ignored nothing. A few stats don't tell everything about a team. "The Lions gave up 31 points!" Yeah... and turned the ball over 5 times.

I never said that turnovers nullify the points given up... once again, nice job of putting words in my mouth (or words on my posts... or something). They don't nullify anything... but they're important to consider when evaluating a defense.

Never mind. I guess the concept is just too confusing to some.
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It's totally pointless. The funny thing is that he plays it off as if the Bears/Packers/Vikings fans have an anti-Lions agenda when it's really just everyone recognizing his ****** arguments for what they are. I mean...to unite those three fans over anything is a remarkable feat in itself.
No kidding, he thinks that we even CARE about the Lions. They have been the league whipping boy for so long that I am happy they are doing good. Once a decade is good for a team. It is like anyone with the Bucks or Brewers, they should just be happy for us that we have a decent team.
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Dont the lions have a history have being bad on the road?
No, the Lions have a history of being bad anywhere.
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What? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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Two Lions and a Ram.
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We're probably the only division that has three very good defenses but the Lions defense is so god awful that collectively I just don't know. The AFC East, for example, doesn't have any weak defenses. The Jets are the weakest of the four and they're nowhere near as bad as the Lions.
Points Per Game (Allowed)
Lions - 24 PPG (24th in NFL)
Jets - 25.3 PPG (27th in NFL)

Yards Per Game (Against)
Lions - 354.7 YPG (26th in NFL)
Jets - 380.2 YPG (30th in NFL)

3rd Down %
Lions - 47% (29th in NFL)
Jets - 48% (32nd in NFL)

Interceptions
Lions - 15 (2nd in NFL)
Jets - 7 (T-23rd in NFL)
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Points Per Game (Allowed)
Lions - 24 PPG (24th in NFL)
Jets - 25.3 PPG (27th in NFL)

Yards Per Game (Against)
Lions - 354.7 YPG (26th in NFL)
Jets - 380.2 YPG (30th in NFL)

3rd Down %
Lions - 47% (29th in NFL)
Jets - 48% (32nd in NFL)

Interceptions
Lions - 15 (2nd in NFL)
Jets - 7 (T-23rd in NFL)
It's too bad that those stats are misleading and don't mean anything.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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