It's Not All on Rex... - Page 2

Moses · 09-24-2007, 06:15 PM

Rex is terrible and not the answer for Chicago. That said, the entire team has played poorly in my opinion. The offence has been a trainwreck. There is no run game, the offensive line is nowhere near where it needs to be, and the receivers haven't been getting it done. The defence has even taken a step backwards and it's clear that they're not going to be able to continually bail out the offence anymore.

zoinks · 09-24-2007, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by CutlerChris

He might be able to succeed later, but not in Chicago, he's under too much pressure I think.

Absolutely agree.

I really wanted Grossman to succeed, and I still think he's got the tools to be a very effective QB. But it's not going to happen while he's in Chicago. That bridge has long since burned.

Moses · 09-24-2007, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by zoinks

Absolutely agree.

I really wanted Grossman to succeed, and I still think he's got the tools to be a very effective QB. But it's not going to happen while he's in Chicago. That bridge has long since burned.

What tools have we seen from him? He's Joey Harrington 2.0. Not only does he not win games for you, but he'll do everything in his power to lose them. Not a game manager and doesn't have the talent to be a top-tier QB. That's a recipe for disaster.

yo123 · 09-24-2007, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Geo

I don't place all the blame on Rexy, though he isn't playing well now. I place a hefty amount of blame on Ron Turner, the offensive coordinator. He's getting way too giddy with his quick little receivers and big gains in the passing game to the detriment of his young quarterback.

Seriously, Bill Cowher gave you the bloody blueprint with Roflisberger in 2005. Run the ball with Cedric Benson and Adrian Peterson, play action pass, maybe a few bootlegs so Grossman has easy completions in front of him, and emphasize the tight ends more. Why is Grossman not getting more chances to throw to his most sure-handed and comfortable receiving option, Desmond Clark?

It's statistically proven how much Rexy plays when Clark is involved in the offense. And Greg Olsen is a promising prospect drafted in the 1st round. How damn thick do you have to be to not get that? Crying out loud.

The problem with the play action part, is Benson has shown absolutely nothing to show he can be a starting RB in this league (from what I've seen at least.)

Flyboy · 09-24-2007, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by yo123

The problem with the play action part, is Benson has shown absolutely nothing to show he can be a starting RB in this league (from what I've seen at least.)

He's not very well on blitz pick-ups from what I've seen as well.

yo123 · 09-24-2007, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Flyboy

He's not very well on blitz pick-ups from what I've seen as well.

I think you forgot a verb in there somehwere.

neko4 · 09-24-2007, 06:26 PM

Just wondering... Since the packers are trying to reduce Favre's mistakes and hide the youth on the Oline with quick passing, could the bears do the same. Can Rexy make the quick passes and do they have the recievers? I know Berrian pretty fast

Flyboy · 09-24-2007, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by yo123

I think you forgot a verb in there somehwere.

I definitely did. But, I'm too lazy to go back and fix it.

bearsfan_51 · 09-24-2007, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Moses

The defence has even taken a step backwards and it's clear that they're not going to be able to continually bail out the offence anymore.

No it hasn't. It's just that the offense is so terrible that it's giving them even better field position and taken up even less time on the clock. The Bears D falls apart in the 4th quarter because they are so tired of carrying the game. At least last year we could run the ball.

Hurricane Ditka · 09-24-2007, 07:43 PM

A big part of Cedric's problem is Ron Turner's play calling. They never give him a chance to get into a rhythm. He started out strong, but Turner pulled him too soon. He needs to keep getting the rock, that's the kind of running back he is, that's why Ron Turner had to have him. But whenever he gets anything resembling a groove, he's pulled.

bearsfan_51 · 09-24-2007, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by yo123

The problem with the play action part, is Benson has shown absolutely nothing to show he can be a starting RB in this league (from what I've seen at least.)

That's a little harsh. 2 of Benson's first 3 games were rough, but he played very well last year, even in games where Jones barely saw the field. I've seen a lot of both players, and I always prefered Jones, but the margin is pretty slim. Jones has better vision and intangibles, Benson is faster and more punishing. That's about it.

Vince Lombardi · 09-24-2007, 08:09 PM

Damn sweetness, I admire your team optimism and you definitely have valid points about other players besides Rex underperforming, but seriously how can you still support Rex? No offense but it takes a pretty big homer to not see Rex for what he is at this point, and that's a backup at best. This is almost on par with that dude (darko?) who claimed last year that Bruce Gradkowski was a better version of Vince Young.

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

Moses · 09-24-2007, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

No it hasn't. It's just that the offense is so terrible that it's giving them even better field position and taken up even less time on the clock. The Bears D falls apart in the 4th quarter because they are so tired of carrying the game. At least last year we could run the ball.

You actually believe the defence is playing like it did last year?

ks_perfection · 09-24-2007, 08:12 PM

Gradkowki a better version of Vince Young. Thats the funniest thing I've read all week.

Geo · 09-24-2007, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Hurricane Ditka

A big part of Cedric's problem is Ron Turner's play calling. They never give him a chance to get into a rhythm. He started out strong, but Turner pulled him too soon. He needs to keep getting the rock, that's the kind of running back he is, that's why Ron Turner had to have him. But whenever he gets anything resembling a groove, he's pulled.

I don't understand it either. Benson's a bruiser, he should get somewhere around 20-25 carries a game. The Bears are paying him millions for what?

no love · 09-24-2007, 09:28 PM

McNabb will be a bear by next year. Grossman is so gone at the end of the year barring some sort of miraculous turnaround. Meaning Grossman goes to the land of OZ and gets a brain.

They really have to scale back the offense and simplify things for Grossman.

bearfan · 09-24-2007, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince Lombardi

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt

haha, every time I say that to my friends, they just laugh at me lol.

neko4 · 09-24-2007, 09:36 PM

Rex must be doing something right, because Griese and Orton havent been put in, OR!
Lovie is making a bad decision and keeping Grossman in.

SFbear · 09-24-2007, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by neko4

Rex must be doing something right, because Griese and Orton havent been put in, OR!
Lovie is making a bad decision and keeping Grossman in.

Lovie said today that he is going to announce any changes to the starting lineup on Wednesday. He said he has already made the decision for the QB position. I think if he was going to stick with Grossman he would have said "Rex Grossman is our QB".

bearsfan_51 · 09-24-2007, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Moses

You actually believe the defence is playing like it did last year?

I believe that if you actually watched the game in context, and compared last season to this season, that this defense is better. It's just even more hindered by the fact that our offense is even worse at not turning the ball over and eating up clock than it was last year.

Most points have come off of turnovers or late in the game when the defense was completely worn down (or injured).

kwilk103 · 09-24-2007, 10:09 PM

one of the worst decisions last night was getting sacked and giving the cowboys a chance at a hail mary to end the half (the ref screwed us out of 3 sec; there should have been one last play)

bearfan · 09-24-2007, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kwilk103

one of the worst decisions last night was getting sacked and giving the cowboys a chance at a hail mary to end the half (the ref screwed us out of 3 sec; there should have been one last play)

stop whining, you guys won.

And yes Moses, the defense is better than last year *i agree w/ 51*. They are playing faster, better football, and it isnt until they start getting tired b/c Wrecks cant keep them off the field that they start giving up points. Most notibly this past game, but remember that Briggs, Vasher, and eventually Harris was out. But it doesnt help when your offense is as bad as ours is

kwilk103 · 09-24-2007, 10:42 PM

im not whining i was just stating that was one of grossmans worst decisions; you do everything you can to run out the clock; and it wasnt like he got hit on the play, he got tripped up

SFbear · 09-24-2007, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by kwilk103

im not whining i was just stating that was one of grossmans worst decisions; you do everything you can to run out the clock; and it wasnt like he got hit on the play, he got tripped up

How is getting tripped a decision?

sweetness34 · 09-25-2007, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

I ******* hate him. I can't believe you are still defending him sweetness. My god....

Defending him? Um no. I said he's blown ass so far this year and deserves the blame, but his teammates have been no better. I agree he's the biggest problem, but other guys aren't pulling their weight either.