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And Real Madrid falls short yet again. Florentino Perez should make wise investments now, if he wants to keep his job.

That's one heck of a squad. He's already said he's got another huge pot of cash set aside for the sole purpose of acquiring players, so it's possible. He's also willing to trade players, virtually anyone not on that roster. Hard to see ManU giving up half their starting defense and their star forward, but when Madrid wants someone, they usually get him.
that's is one heck of a squad. Unfortunately it's completely unrealistic and I honestly fail to see how Madrid will be able to secure the funds to purchase all those players. Not to mention the fact that Man U and Liverpool will most likely demand king's ransoms for not just their star players but the icons of their teams. Franck Ribery will also require a gargantuan sum of money, and I do want to mention that unlike most top teams Bayern has no incentive to sell him since they don't actually NEED the money, it's one of the financially healthiest clubs in the world.
Not to mention that you're just throwing names out there without considering that C. Ronaldo isn't at his best as a striker but as an attacking winger, putting gerard on the right flank would be a complete waste of his talents.

Worst of all, there is no way Real can support this team. Plus you keep out of the equasion that they do have some talent out there, and that this once again will be another bunch of diva superstars shoved into a white jersey and thrown onto the field. This idea, the foundations of it, is the reason Madrid hasn't been living up to promises and won't as long as it's the guiding principle.

I'll give you the obvious example: FC Barcelona. Big club, annual champions league favourite and right now on route to yet another championship. Not to mention just beat them in Madrid. Both are internationally renowned clubs, wealthy, spanish and are or at least have been immensely succesful. The difference in how they're ran is massive though. Whilst Madrid goes out every year and buys their star power, Barcelona grows it. Messi, Victor Valdez, Sergio Busquets, Sergio García, Puyol, Iniesta, Xavi, Píque and Bojan Krkic they all come from La Masia, Barça's youth programme. Heck, even their coach Guardiola's from there. Some players who are Barça trained are now stars elsewhere: Mikel Arteta and Cesk Fabregas are all products of the Barça youth programme.

See, if Madrid was to stop buying players and just invests 100 million into their youth facilities, they'd be able to do the same, Barcelona has actual teams, Madrid just has collections of players who only win prizes in video games. This 'team' you propose will just be the next inarnation of a star-studded non-collective that will fail to meet expectations.
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it's an article that's pretty selective in it's choice of examples don't you think? Marco van Basten, Johan Cruijff, Pele, Maradona, Zidane, Ronaldinho, Beckenbauer... all of them had nothing special done with or to their hair. It's an article saying "look at dees guise dey have funky hair!".
Of course it is, but it's a nice nostalgic little look back at some of the great hair the World Cup has brought to the world.
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that's is one heck of a squad. Unfortunately it's completely unrealistic and I honestly fail to see how Madrid will be able to secure the funds to purchase all those players. Not to mention the fact that Man U and Liverpool will most likely demand king's ransoms for not just their star players but the icons of their teams. Franck Ribery will also require a gargantuan sum of money, and I do want to mention that unlike most top teams Bayern has no incentive to sell him since they don't actually NEED the money, it's one of the financially healthiest clubs in the world.
Not to mention that you're just throwing names out there without considering that C. Ronaldo isn't at his best as a striker but as an attacking winger, putting gerard on the right flank would be a complete waste of his talents.

Worst of all, there is no way Real can support this team. Plus you keep out of the equasion that they do have some talent out there, and that this once again will be another bunch of diva superstars shoved into a white jersey and thrown onto the field. This idea, the foundations of it, is the reason Madrid hasn't been living up to promises and won't as long as it's the guiding principle.

I'll give you the obvious example: FC Barcelona. Big club, annual champions league favourite and right now on route to yet another championship. Not to mention just beat them in Madrid. Both are internationally renowned clubs, wealthy, spanish and are or at least have been immensely succesful. The difference in how they're ran is massive though. Whilst Madrid goes out every year and buys their star power, Barcelona grows it. Messi, Victor Valdez, Sergio Busquets, Sergio García, Puyol, Iniesta, Xavi, Píque and Bojan Krkic they all come from La Masia, Barça's youth programme. Heck, even their coach Guardiola's from there. Some players who are Barça trained are now stars elsewhere: Mikel Arteta and Cesk Fabregas are all products of the Barça youth programme.

See, if Madrid was to stop buying players and just invests 100 million into their youth facilities, they'd be able to do the same, Barcelona has actual teams, Madrid just has collections of players who only win prizes in video games. This 'team' you propose will just be the next inarnation of a star-studded non-collective that will fail to meet expectations.
1. Ribery already stated that he won't be around after his contract expires (june 2001 iirc) and if that's not incentive I don't know what incentive is (and I study economics!). Der Kaiser (Franz Beckenbauer - just for all you americans :) ) said a while back that he thinks Riberys value is at least that of Káká and Cristiano Ronaldo. I don't think so, but even so I could very well see them getting $500 mill. for Ribery, but the longer it takes to sell him the less they're going to get for him. And they know that, so I expect Ribery to be gone no later than right after France gets knocked out of the World Cup (they should never have been in it, but that's another matter).

2. The second bolded section reminds me of a quote from some years back from Scott Pioli which has been used about the Jets lately: It's not about collecting talent, it's about building a team. Real Madrid has failed miserably in that area ever since they bought Zinedine Zidane. Yes, they won when they had him, but it was never a team efford. And that gets old very, very fast and other teams plan accordingly.

As for Barca developing their own talent, one can't be anything but very impressed by what they've done. I was actually thinking about it when I was watching the Real-Barca match the other day. They start a lot of their own guys. Very impressive, much like Ajax Amsterdam in the 90s.

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How tall can a soccer player get before said height begins to decrease his effectiveness? I mean in all facets of his game and not just footspeed? Could a tall player actually function as a goalkeeper if properly trained?
Jan Koller was at least 6'6" and Peter Schmeichel was just shy of 6'5" iirc. Imo, height is only a problem if you don't have a good understanding of the tactics and the game in general. Koller was pretty much a one trick pony, and yet he was very effective because of his great soccer IQ.
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If Madrid bought up all of those players I would instantly find another "team" to support. It truly disgust me how Perez can throw around all that money like it is nothing and just expect the team to win every trophy possible. I was excited about the summer signings but was not a fan of selling Sneijder, Robben, Klaas & Negredo.
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1. Ribery already stated that he won't be around after his contract expires (june 2001 iirc) and if that's not incentive I don't know what incentive is (and I study economics!). Der Kaiser (Franz Beckenbauer - just for all you americans :) ) said a while back that he thinks Riberys value is at least that of Káká and Cristiano Ronaldo. I don't think so, but even so I could very well see them getting $500 mill. for Ribery, but the longer it takes to sell him the less they're going to get for him. And they know that, so I expect Ribery to be gone no later than right after France gets knocked out of the World Cup (they should never have been in it, but that's another matter).
If I've ever learned anything about sport it's that money changes anyone's mind. An "I'll be out of here after my contract expires" from whenever, not '01 because he's only been in Munich since '07. Is hardly proof that he truly intends to leave. The incentive for many teams to sell star players is because they need money. This was also true for Milan and Man U when they sold Kaka and C. Ronaldo. The money was simply too good not to do it, not to mention both clubs have debts they need to pay.

By incentive I ment that Bayern is very healthy, as is most of the German Bundesliga. They don't need transfer money, thus they have no direct incentive to see themselves without one of their biggest, if not their biggest, star. Now I'm not taking the 500 million comment serious if you don't mind, by virtue of it being a completely insane, made-up number. Also keep in mind that Ribery has a lot in common with the winger they just ditched, Arjen Robben. Don't assume Real is so giddy to buy another winger in that mold.

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2. The second bolded section reminds me of a quote from some years back from Scott Pioli which has been used about the Jets lately: It's not about collecting talent, it's about building a team. Real Madrid has failed miserably in that area ever since they bought Zinedine Zidane. Yes, they won when they had him, but it was never a team efford. And that gets old very, very fast and other teams plan accordingly.

As for Barca developing their own talent, one can't be anything but very impressed by what they've done. I was actually thinking about it when I was watching the Real-Barca match the other day. They start a lot of their own guys. Very impressive, much like Ajax Amsterdam in the 90s.
It's a lot like Ajax was in those days. And that Ajax won everything possible.

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Jan Koller was at least 6'6" and Peter Schmeichel was just shy of 6'5" iirc. Imo, height is only a problem if you don't have a good understanding of the tactics and the game in general. Koller was pretty much a one trick pony, and yet he was very effective because of his great soccer IQ.
Jan Koller was effetive because he was a lot bigger than anyone trying to cover him and he had a knack for being in the 5 yard box. The man was slow, lumbering but he was a great heading talent and that's what made him so successful. I don't think soccer IQ had much to do with it. Koller was as good as the guy feeding him passes was, essentially. Schmeigel was a goalkeeper, for those guys being tall is a huge advantage. They're also typically thinner than most players and train specifically to remain agile. He's not an example to use when exampling talented tall players.
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Real will want Ribery even though he is similar to (and possibly worse than) Robben because public opinion has Ribery ranked as one of the best players in the world and all Madrid seems to want is the team filled with the biggest names. They should just buy Navas for 1/3 of the price and reap the benefits.
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Haha, no - don't take the $500 mill. seriously. It was supposed to say $100 mill., idk what happened. I know Ribery has a lot of similarities with Robben, but that doesn't matter in Madrid. All that matter is starpower and Ribery has plenty. Also, he's a better player imo. Before his injuries Robben looked like the next big thing. But injuries ruined it for him. He's still good, but not as good as he could've been.

The reason I brought up Schmeichel is, that a lot of tall goalkeepers don't reach their potential because they're vulnerable to shot near the ground. Schmeichel wasn't despite his size so that's why I brought him up. You don't see a lot of 6'4" - 6'5" goalkeepers succeeding.
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Haha, no - don't take the $500 mill. seriously. It was supposed to say $100 mill., idk what happened. I know Ribery has a lot of similarities with Robben, but that doesn't matter in Madrid. All that matter is starpower and Ribery has plenty. Also, he's a better player imo. Before his injuries Robben looked like the next big thing. But injuries ruined it for him. He's still good, but not as good as he could've been.
Actually the 500 million part was just a joke. Now Ribery might want to leave, and Madrid might want him, but Ribery's seen what it can do to big french stars, Benzema is nowhere now after being one of the brightest stars in French soccer. Well anyway, yeah I suppose if htey offered C. Ronaldo type money Bayern will shrug and take it.

Also don't sleep on Robben, the guy can flat-out play, even if he's made of glass. As a dutch football supporter I just hope he lasts through the World Championships.... but I don't think he will, probably get injured three games in as always.

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The reason I brought up Schmeichel is, that a lot of tall goalkeepers don't reach their potential because they're vulnerable to shot near the ground. Schmeichel wasn't despite his size so that's why I brought him up. You don't see a lot of 6'4" - 6'5" goalkeepers succeeding.
Many fine goalkeepers (Van Der Sar, Dida, Almunia) are over 6'4" it's more exceptional for non-goalies.
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Actually the 500 million part was just a joke. Now Ribery might want to leave, and Madrid might want him, but Ribery's seen what it can do to big french stars, Benzema is nowhere now after being one of the brightest stars in French soccer. Well anyway, yeah I suppose if htey offered C. Ronaldo type money Bayern will shrug and take it.

Also don't sleep on Robben, the guy can flat-out play, even if he's made of glass. As a dutch football supporter I just hope he lasts through the World Championships.... but I don't think he will, probably get injured three games in as always.



Many fine goalkeepers (Van Der Sar, Dida, Almunia) are over 6'4" it's more exceptional for non-goalies.
The Dutch suffer from both Van Persie and Robben being made of glass. They are as entertaining as any side when at full strength.
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Van Persie really isn't made of glass, at least not like Robben is. He's had a big injury now, that's true. But I don't consider him particularly injury prone. As for the Dutch, I think we might be a darkhorse contender. With Sneijder being in excellent shape, Robben, van Persie healthy and many other solid guys in good doings, the team at least from an individual player perspective is in excellent shape. I'm just hoping the coach makes the right decision and leaves the guys who haven't played a while at home and brings a fit and ready team to South Africa. We might surprise some people.
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As much as a die hard AC Milan fan I am, Dida is not a "fine" GK. He's not even mediocre. The guy just sucks. He'll play one amazing game only to suck the next ten or so games. I've been hoping for Berlusconi to buy Akinfeev for some time now, but I doubt it'll ever happen. But I have to agree, Holland looks like a very good possibility to win the World Cup. That's pretty bad for me as a danish football supporter, since we're in the same group. We're going to get killed...
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As much as a die hard AC Milan fan I am, Dida is not a "fine" GK. He's not even mediocre. The guy just sucks. He'll play one amazing game only to suck the next ten or so games. I've been hoping for Berlusconi to buy Akinfeev for some time now, but I doubt it'll ever happen. But I have to agree, Holland looks like a very good possibility to win the World Cup. That's pretty bad for me as a danish football supporter, since we're in the same group. We're going to get killed...
Dida used to be pretty good. He sucks nowadays but he dominated for a while, too. Akinfeev is going to stay in Russia a lot longer, because he makes more money there. Remember that Arshavin's transfer to Arsenal was almost cancelled because of his wage demands? That's how much they earn in Russia, enough to almost scare off an English premier league club. And a big one at that.

And thanks for the praise for the dutch. I'm kinda rootin' for the Danish too, just so you know.
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razor are u a german?
I'm assuming Danish since he references Schmeigel without liking Man U and says he supports Denmark.
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Van Persie really isn't made of glass, at least not like Robben is. He's had a big injury now, that's true. But I don't consider him particularly injury prone. As for the Dutch, I think we might be a darkhorse contender. With Sneijder being in excellent shape, Robben, van Persie healthy and many other solid guys in good doings, the team at least from an individual player perspective is in excellent shape. I'm just hoping the coach makes the right decision and leaves the guys who haven't played a while at home and brings a fit and ready team to South Africa. We might surprise some people.
I like the Dutch....always root for them. RVP is pretty injury prone tho.
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I like the Dutch....always root for them. RVP is pretty injury prone tho.
yeah he gets injured sometimes, but he's got nothing on Robben is what I ment to say
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I also am a huge Dutch supporter. Liked them going back to the days of Edgar Davids & Roy Makaay.
lol how is Roy Makaay back in the days :D
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I also am a huge Dutch supporter. Liked them going back to the days of Edgar Davids & Roy Makaay.
Makaay never really played that many games for the Dutch national squad.

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lol how is Roy Makaay back in the days :D
He's doing okay, he's still playing for Feyenoord Rotterdam. Starts off and on. Still has the scoring touch but seems to be winding down fast.

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lol how is Roy Makaay back in the days :D
Haha I'm thinking like Euro 04 and the qualifiers for it :D.
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