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Old 05-22-2014, 11:42 PM    (permalink
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Not taking Donovan won't be the reason the US come in last in this group.
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Not taking Donovan won't be the reason the US come in last in this group.
Of course not. That doesn't mean the team isn't better with him though, even if he is a sub. I think you owe it to not only the fans, but also the players themselves to take the best 23 to the World effing Cup.
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Yeah **** portugal, flopping ass bitches, you never see that crap in the NFL, NBA and NHL...wait...



Poldi, Miro, Lewy and Kuba would be a nasty front 4.
All of the sports combined are no where near as close to the level and frequency of **** like this:








Then there's this compilation of Ronaldo flops:
http://www.policymic.com/articles/10...-ronaldo-flops

Which is only a microcosm of how the entire Portuguese national team "plays" the game. Pathetic.
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Of course not. That doesn't mean the team isn't better with him though, even if he is a sub. I think you owe it to not only the fans, but also the players themselves to take the best 23 to the World effing Cup.
Eh, you also need to keep realistic expectations when setting your goals and let those expectations guide your goals. This team will do no worse without him, so why keep off a guy who could play a big part in you being able to raise your targets some day for a guy who wouldn't make a big difference and for whom this would be the last hurrah.

Just seems like when Jogi didn't bring Ballack to South Africa even though he was our most recognizeable player. This was no longer his team, he wouldn't have helped much, and moving on let the team move on mentally which let them break out with their beautiful counters. Let the team move on to the next era where hopefully you become a little more relevant.
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All of the sports combined are no where near as close to the level and frequency of **** like this:


Then there's this compilation of Ronaldo flops:
http://www.policymic.com/articles/10...-ronaldo-flops

Which is only a microcosm of how the entire Portuguese national team "plays" the game. Pathetic.
Now go start a thread on a hockey board about flopping and see just as many gifs and compilations come flooding in. Or a basketball board. The NFL flops less, but it's just as prevalent in the NHL and NBA.
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So, soccer thread during WC time = NBA thread during playoffs?
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Old 05-23-2014, 12:02 AM    (permalink
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And to get in the required Newcastle talk, I have to say that I know nothing about Ayoze, but the fact that Porto was in for him is a good sign....they know what they're doing when it comes to snatching up young talent.
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So, soccer thread during WC time = NBA thread during playoffs?
The Implication being a lot of people posting in it that usually don't, or a lot of spectacular stupidity getting regurgitated for page after page? Cause I coudl see either one.
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And to get in the required Newcastle talk, I have to say that I know nothing about Ayoze, but the fact that Porto was in for him is a good sign....they know what they're doing when it comes to snatching up young talent.
Eh, porto get a lot of flops to, they just spend nothing bringing the kids in because of the third party ownership deals and so can bring in every top young SA talent who doesn't have the hype yet for a big club.
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Only reason I don't post much here even though I really like soccer is y'all intimidate me and know so much I don't wanna feel stupid :(
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Eh, porto get a lot of flops to, they just spend nothing bringing the kids in because of the third party ownership deals and so can bring in every top young SA talent who doesn't have the hype yet for a big club.
Ayode is Spanish. And release clause was 2 million, which isn't peanuts. It's a good sign, rosebud. Stop being mean.
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Only reason I don't post much here even though I really like soccer is y'all intimidate me and know so much I don't wanna feel stupid :(
Caddy and metsox post in here...so I wouldn't worry about that...

Especially with the way soccer works and how no one actually knows everything about all of the top leagues, at best people have a good grasp of 3-4 leagues, so everyone's ignorant about a good bit of what's happening in the game every year.
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Only reason I don't post much here even though I really like soccer is y'all intimidate me and know so much I don't wanna feel stupid :(
You can learn quickly - although following is way more difficult on the west coast. That said, just starting following/posting and you'll be there in no time. Sometime in 2007 I decided I wanted to start getting into soccer - I literally knew the US guys and Zinedine Zidane. Look at me now!

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So, soccer thread during WC time = NBA thread during playoffs?
Or like you in the NHL thread!
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Not taking Landon is really dumb. Unless Julian Green becomes a world beater and teams legit don't want to play the US in 2018, I don't see how this was the right call. Hoping they prove me wrong, but punting a WC to develop youth is almost always the wrong call.
Let's not act like Landon is in top form right now. He lost his pace, his best asset, and his fitness is suspect. He has never been the guy who is instant offense as he has been known to go invisible. I don't think he makes a big impact if he comes on 60 or 75th minute.
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Ayode is Spanish. And release clause was 2 million, which isn't peanuts. It's a good sign, rosebud. Stop being mean.
I'll stop being mean when somebody gives Gladbach too much money for Luuk de Jong so I'm not disappointed that you guys passed. Man what a bust, a perfect reminder of how looking like a more mobile huntelaar/Ruud against Eredivise defense doesn't mean ****.

Plus Porto's just a pet peeve of mine because people over-rate a lot of aspects of that club by ignoring the unique set up that they operate under which makes them seem so much more effective in the transfer market than they actually are. The worst is when they play against a big money club in the CL and those spread sheets about acquisition costs get sent around. Like no **** porto doesn't spend much, they also don't make much off of their sales and have little say over the players because they don't actually own their rights.
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Let's not act like Landon is in top form right now. He lost his pace, his best asset, and his fitness is suspect. He has never been the guy who is instant offense as he has been known to go invisible. I don't think he makes a big impact if he comes on 60 or 75th minute.
And Jozy scored 2 goals in 38 this year. That's Luuk DeJong level bad. Do we drop him because he's not in top form? Look, if we are talking about sheer quality, right now....Landon has to be on this team. He just does. Only reason to leave him behind is to build for 2018, which I understand, but the World Cup is not the place to do that imo.
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And Jozy scored 2 goals in 38 this year. That's Luuk DeJong level bad. Do we drop him because he's not in top form? Look, if we are talking about sheer quality, right now....Landon has to be on this team. He just does. Only reason to leave him behind is to build for 2018, which I understand, but the World Cup is not the place to do that imo.
Been saying this since the start. Klinsmann must have a guarentee this WC means nothing to the US, and plans on giving young guys exposure rather than giving Donovan another WC which he truly deserves, top form or not.
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Well it's not like you guys get any high end competition between WCs, so you can't just use the euros and qualifying to blood your kids. Plus not taking a star your team is used to relying on can be incredibly liberating for a team when it's time to move on. And I think that time has come for Landon and the USNT.
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Well it's not like you guys get any high end competition between WCs, so you can't just use the euros and qualifying to blood your kids. Plus not taking a star your team is used to relying on can be incredibly liberating for a team when it's time to move on. And I think that time has come for Landon and the USNT.
Half the team that made it plays in Europe and around the world, not just in the US, iirc.
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Half the team that made it plays in Europe and around the world, not just in the US, iirc.
Which is good, but they don't all play for the same team in Europe so as a group they don't get tested against high end comp outside of the WC.
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Honestly, if you want to say that, I'd rather have Julian in Munich with Bayern's staff than in Brazil making 3 five minute cameos.
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Honestly, if you want to say that, I'd rather have Julian in Munich with Bayern's staff than in Brazil making 3 five minute cameos.
That's a reasonable argument, but I still think starting to get a player integrated for your side is very valuable at this level.

Even if his nationality weren't in dispute.
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You can learn quickly - although following is way more difficult on the west coast. That said, just starting following/posting and you'll be there in no time. Sometime in 2007 I decided I wanted to start getting into soccer - I literally knew the US guys and Zinedine Zidane. Look at me now!

You can be our official Mexican League correspondent because suck it metsox.
But I'm not Mexican...I'm Salvadoran American. In soccer, we don't mix yo.

I don't watch MLS cuz I think it's boring but I've been a big Real Madrid fan because they had the Brazilian Ronaldo. Also loved Zinedine Zidan and Roberto Carlos. In Italy I like Napoli, and in England I'm a Chelsea man...even though El Salvador is like American HS soccer I love FAS.

Mostly I just watch games though and don't follow as in-depth though but I will!
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