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Old 03-14-2008, 03:28 PM    (permalink
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I really like the ption of Edwards on paper. Heres an article on Edwards while he has going through his draft process at the combine. The article is a quetion and answer article about playing DE or OLB. Its a good read.


http://archive.profootballweekly.com...da_edwards.asp

He said he came into the scouting combine 6'5 1/4 and 265lbs.
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Texans | Team agrees to terms with C. Thompson
Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:35:45 -0700

Toni Grossi, of The Plain Dealer, reports the Houston Texans agreed to terms on a two-year deal worth $2.4 million with free-agent LB Chaun Thompson (Browns) Friday, March 14. Thompson will receive a $650,000 signing bonus.
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I really like the ption of Edwards on paper. Heres an article on Edwards while he has going through his draft process at the combine. The article is a quetion and answer article about playing DE or OLB. Its a good read.


http://archive.profootballweekly.com...da_edwards.asp

He said he came into the scouting combine 6'5 1/4 and 265lbs.
Good read, and it basically confirms that Kalimba's father makes most of his big decisions for him in life. He practically picked his college for him and decided for him that he should resign with Detroit instead of signing with cleveland in 2006. I still hope we sign him and give him a shot as a situational pass rusher behind WImbley.
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Fabian Washington: CB
"I heard on Inside the Huddle with John Clayton and Jeremy Green on ESPN radio last night that with Oakland acquiring DeAngelo Hall the Cleveland Browns will be acquiring Fabian Washington Via a trade. They didn't specify what Oakland would receive. A combination of Wright Washington and McDonald with Holly the Dime back would make for a very nice secondary."

Also Andra Davis and Willie McGinest restructured their contracts for us.

Andra Davis, Willie McGinest get pay cuts
by Tony Grossi, Plain Dealer Reporter Sunday March 16, 2008, 8:26 AM
Not everybody with the Browns is getting contract extensions and big pay raises these days.

The team quietly reduced the contracts of two prominent former starters on defense - linebackers Andra Davis and Willie McGinest. Both players now are part of three-men rotations at their respective positions.

In December 2005, Davis signed a five-year contract extension for $20 million. That deal included a base salary in 2008 of $3 million, plus a $200,000 roster bonus. The base salaries would rise to $3.75 million in '09 and $4.1 million in 2010.

But that contract is no more. The latest figures posted on the NFL players union Web site show a base salary this year of $1.675 million for Davis. And the last two years of the deal have been wiped out.

The 44 percent pay cut might have been made up in a signing bonus to rewrite the deal to end after this season.


Davis, 29, saw his playing time reduced last year because of the emergence of Leon Williams and the use of different defensive packages. His 104 tackles were his lowest total in four years, when he missed five games with an injury.

Davis has the most tenure of any Butch Davis draft choice. He was a fifth-round pick in 2002. Besides him, only long snapper Ryan Pontbriand (2003), tight end Kellen Winslow (2004) and safety Sean Jones (2004) remain of the four Davis drafts from 2001-04.

McGinest could have made as much as $2.9 million this season in the final year of his three-year Browns contract. But that was reduced to $1.9 million after he failed to hit a Pro Bowl incentive. The players union lists McGinest's salary at $900,000 - a 47 percent cut.

McGinest, 36, played in 13 games after having back surgery in the off-season. He made 12 starts in the base defense and found himself actually playing tackle in some sub packages late in the season because of injuries to other players.

Both players have playing-time incentives that could get them back to their original levels. Messages seeking comment from the players' agents were not returned.

More salary info:

Quarterback Derek Anderson's base salaries in his new contract are $950,000 in 2008, $1.45 million in '09 and $7.45 million in 2010, according to union figures.

The union Web site does not include bonuses. Anderson will receive $8 million this year in signing and roster bonuses and has another guaranteed $5 million due in April of '09, plus $1 million in 2010.

Braylon watch:

There has been conjecture that Browns receiver Braylon Edwards switched agents to seek a new contract. That could be an expensive proposition.

The new standard for receivers is a $10 million per year average. That's what Larry Fitzgerald received from the Arizona Cardinals - $40 million over four years. Fitzgerald has made two Pro Bowls. (Edwards has made one.) That deal exceeds the $9 million average Randy Moss received from the New England Patriots over three years.

Draft update:

The Browns currently own the following picks in the April 26-27 draft:

No. 23 in the fourth round, No. 22nd in the fifth round, No. 24 in the sixth round and No. 24 in the seventh round.

The sixth-round pick is Seattle's from the trade of Charlie Frye. The Browns gave up their own sixth-round pick, No. 25, to Philadelphia in 2006 in the trade for Hank Fraley.

The overall number of these selections won't be known until the NFL awards its annual allotment of compensatory picks to teams who suffered free-agent losses the previous year.

Some of those picks may be squeezed into the middle of rounds four through seven, which would lower the Browns' selections even further.

In the past, Browns General Manager Phil Savage has said he ranks about 100 players on his draft board. He'll have to form a second board this year. As it stands, the Browns' first pick would be the 118th selection overall.
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i was just gonna post about washington. you beat me to it.

If Davis didnt agree to the contract restructure, they were going to release him, according to scout.com
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WTF? Our draft board only goes 100 players?
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We are still looking at Al Wilson as of today.....

Browns | Team to resume talks with A. Wilson
Sun, 16 Mar 2008 15:40:00 -0700

Mike Klis, of the Denver Post, reports the Cleveland Browns will resume talks with free-agent LB Al Wilson (Broncos) this week.






Were also looking at another FA gaurd which I do not understand.

Matt Lehr-G-Buccaneers Mar. 16 - 6:05 pm et

The Saints and Browns are reportedly pursuing free agent G/C Matt Lehr.

The Bucs are not expected to bring him back. Lehr was accused of using steroids late last season. If he tests positive for a banned substance like he did with the Falcons in 2006, Lehr could be suspended for an entire season.
Source: Tampa Tribune



Per the Plain Dealer......
The final two years on Browns ILB Andra Davis have voided.

He'll be in a contract year and make $1.675 million in 2008. Willie McGinest also had his pay cut to $900,000 after not achieving certain bonus standards. The Cleveland Plain Dealer refers to both as "former starters." It looks like Leon Williams will be lining up next to D'Qwell Jackson more this year.

Ive been a reader on this board for close to 3 years and I remember one poster constantly stateing that Leon Williams should be our OLB? Hopefully after him being a back-up MLB and now this......that it is now cleared up?
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the new contracts for mcginest & davis have playing time clauses that can bring their salaries up to the salary level of their previous contracts. it looks like they're hoping to clear cap space to sign someone else who might be an upgrade. but if they doesn't happen, they're still the incumbents.
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What do you mean only?
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So what do we do with our pick in the 7th if the first 100 players are gone?
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Clark Haggans-LB-Steelers Mar. 17 - 4:01 pm et

The Browns will host free agent OLB Clark Haggans on Tuesday and Wednesday.

The Colts are also thought to have interest in the 31-year-old pass rusher. Haggans has played in a 3-4 like Cleveland's for the majority of his career.
Source: Akron Beacon Journal




SIDE NOTE:
ESPN's John Clayton reports the contract DeAngelo Hall is expected to sign after he's acquired by Oakland will be for six years and over $50 million.

Nnamdi Asomugha is going to want (and deserve) at least that. Asante Samuel's with the Eagles was for six years and $57.14 million. Clayton says Raiders owner Al Davis is pulling out all the stops to make this deal a reality.

Hopefully this helps us get Washington. I think Mel Tucker can make him a very solid starter.
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Browns | Winslow rehabbing
Mon, 17 Mar 2008 14:07:18 -0700

Mary Kay Cabot, of The Plain Dealer, reports Cleveland Browns TE Kellen Winslow (knee) has been rehabbing at the Browns facility after undergoing a scope on his right knee last month.


Browns | Bentley continues to train
Mon, 17 Mar 2008 14:06:23 -0700

Mary Kay Cabot, of The Plain Dealer, reports Cleveland Browns C LeCharles Bentley (knee) will continue to train in Arizona, despite the fact the Cleveland Browns will be training in Ohio. "LeCharles will be staying in Arizona and continuing the program he's on out there," said his agent Jonathan Feinsod. "The Browns are fully on board with it." Bentley is recovering from a torn left patella tendon he suffered in July of 2006.


Nothing completely new, jus a little cheap update.
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Browns | Team to meet with B. Sapp
Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:57:46 -0700

Mike Reiss, of The Boston Globe, reports the Cleveland Browns will meet with free-agent CB Benny Sapp (Chiefs) Wednesday, March 19.


heres an overview of Benny from a Cheifs web site....lets you know alot about him....

http://www.kcchiefs.com/player/benny_sapp/


40 seconds into this clip you can see Benny Sapp return a lateral over 50 yards against THE BROWNS this year in preseason WK1.
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Browns | Team to meet with Schmitt
Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:40:39 -0700

The Cleveland Browns will meet with University of West Virginia RB Owen Schmitt Thursday, March 20.



Kind of interesting. I dont think much of it. We allready have Vickers.
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Yeah, I'd think FB would be the last position we draft along with QB.
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we're also bringing in Arizona state safety Josh Barrett
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Owen Schmitt would be a very smart draft choice actually. Like i have said for quite some time, it would be like killing two birds with one stone. He would most likely be our back-up fullback as well as third TE, plus a special teams ace...which means we can cut Ali and Dinkins. Plus, Schmitt is straight badass and the type personality we need on this team.
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we're also bringing in Arizona state safety Josh Barrett
i like him, but i doubt he'll still be available in the 4th round given his performance at the combine. hard hitter, can get fooled, but that 4.35 speed could make him a poor man's polamalu.
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Owen Schmitt would be a very smart draft choice actually. Like i have said for quite some time, it would be like killing two birds with one stone. He would most likely be our back-up fullback as well as third TE, plus a special teams ace...which means we can cut Ali and Dinkins. Plus, Schmitt is straight badass and the type personality we need on this team.
I think your wrong IMO. He would be a good player for the reasons you stated, but that doesnt make him s smart DRAFT choice. With other holes and very limited picks, we cant afford to take a FB when we allready have a future pro bowler in Vickers.
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I think your wrong IMO. He would be a good player for the reasons you stated, but that doesnt make him s smart DRAFT choice. With other holes and very limited picks, we cant afford to take a FB when we allready have a future pro bowler in Vickers.
i think freddy is just saying that it would be a future precaution. Ali is on a 1 year contract and Dinkins has one year left his his contract, i do believe. Dinkins is getting older and unless Ali takes huge strides this year, then we don't have a replacement. besides, this Schmitt guy would be a 6 or 7 rounder probably. as long as we didn't use our 4th or 5th on him, i think it wouldn't be a bad choice. granted, i know absolutely nothing about this Schmitt guy.
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Sure we have limited picks, but incase you didn't realize, they are all on the second day. Which means the chances we are going to get a stud to fill even one of our holes are about the same as Romeo not having a double baconater today. On the second day of the draft your usually looking for great athletes or great depth....if your looking for immediate starters or even stop gaps your fooling yourself...Owen Schmitt is exactly the type of player your looking to get in rounds 5-7 regardless of position.
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i think freddy is just saying that it would be a future precaution. Ali is on a 1 year contract and Dinkins has one year left his his contract, i do believe. Dinkins is getting older and unless Ali takes huge strides this year, then we don't have a replacement. besides, this Schmitt guy would be a 6 or 7 rounder probably. as long as we didn't use our 4th or 5th on him, i think it wouldn't be a bad choice. granted, i know absolutely nothing about this Schmitt guy.
Precaution? Were not replacing a starter here. Were talking a back-up fullback and third string TE.






Browns | Team agrees to terms with Orr
Fri, 21 Mar 2008 10:22:23 -0700

NFL.com reports the Cleveland Browns agreed to terms with free-agent LB Shantee Orr (Jaguars) on a one-year deal Wednesday, March 19, according to NFL Network's Adam Schefter. Financial terms of the deal were not disclosed. Orr is expected to start at outside linebacker.
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i got an update on Stallworth's contract according to the OBR.

while most of you, including myself, were pretty confused at the 10 mil guaranteed money we through at him. While technically a seven-year, $35 million deal, the contract could better be described as a one-year, $5.655 million deal, with a club option for six more years.

Stallworth was given a $4.5 million signing bonus and has a base salary of $605,000 in 2008, of which $500,000 is guaranteed. Stallworth also will receive a $50,000 workout bonus this year and $500,000 of his $745,000 base salary in 2009 is guaranteed.

However, in March of 2009, Stallworth is due a roster bonus of $4.875 million and scheduled to carry a cap number just north of $6.4 million in the second year of the deal. Unless Stallworth has an amazing year he probably wont ever see that money.

Should Stallworth make it past the first year of the deal, he has scheduled roster bonuses of $1.5 million in 2010, and $500,000 in each of the last four years of the deal.

What this means is, the remaining guaranteed money that isnt paid in the first year of the contract will be dividing evenly and counted against our cap for the following six years.

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Precaution? Were not replacing a starter here. Were talking a back-up fullback and third string TE.
Why does it seem you think your always right and everyone else is wrong. You do a great job with updates on signings and potential players of interest to the browns, but maybe you should start re-wording your posts. Instead of saying "Your wrong because (insert reasoning here)", try and posting "i think (insert topic here) because (insert reasoning here)."

While I'm at it, I'm not saying we're replacing a starter here. Freddy is right. in rounds 5-7, teams are pretty much only looking for depth, project, or special team players. This Schmitt guy that Freddy is so high on could fall under all those categories for this team. Like i've said before, Ali is under a one year contract and Dinkins has one year left in his. BOTH these players are KEY special teamers. They help make Josh Cribbs. Dinkins is a great special teamer and everyone knows it, and the browns love the way Ali can hit. if we were to lose both of them next year(with dinkins age its likely he'll be gone), expect Cribbs' numbers to go down. IF this Schmitt guy is potentially that good, then we wouldn't be replacing a starter, we'd be help keeping a special teams unit intact.
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"Why does it seem you think your always right and everyone else is wrong. You do a great job with updates on signings and potential players of interest to the browns, but maybe you should start re-wording your posts. Instead of saying "Your wrong because (insert reasoning here)", try and posting "i think (insert topic here) because (insert reasoning here)."

That is what Jsimmsy21 wrote......
Well here is my exact quote, tell me I didnt do what you ask?......


"I think your wrong IMO. He would be a good player for the reasons you stated, but that doesnt make him s smart DRAFT choice. With other holes and very limited picks, we cant afford to take a FB when we allready have a future pro bowler in Vickers."


Did I not write, I THINK, followed by IMO??????? Gesh get off my case, I made it clear that despite his thoughts, that these were my own and thats about as far as the merit goes with them!


And I stand behind MY OPINION (did I state it clearly enough), that you do not draft a guy (when we allready have limited picks) as a fullback, when we allready have 2 on the roster that can and will make the team, and to be the 3rd string TE, when hes never played TE and would actually be 4rth string behind Winslow, Heiden, and Dinkins.

Schmitt is my favorite FB prospect in the last 5 years, but that does not mean it is SMART to draft him. Would he be a good player? FK YES, but not a smart draft pick for a team that has other needs with minimal picks.


Does this not make sence?

FB depth:
Laurence Vickers (who is pro bowl material and YOUNG!)
Charles Ali (allready a good ST player) amd RESIGNED! for a reason!

TE depth:
Kellen Winslow
Steve Heiden
Darnell Dinkins

There just isnt room to cary 3 FB's or 4 TE's, so I cannot justify it being a "smart" draft pick on a team that desperatly needs DL depth, CB depth, potentially a RB or WR and preferebly more LB's. By signing Charles Ali for another year, it it solves the problem for a whole year, it doesnt mean we have to take care of it this year. Half the teams in the league dont even carry 2 FB's much less 3.

If you have ever seen Schmitt play, you know he will be drafted around RD4 or 5. Unless you plan on using our RD4 pick, then dont think of him as an option. And you mentioned you HAVENT seen him play which really makes me quetion why your fighting this topic so hard?

Noone wants Owen on this team for our RD4 pick. And there is no chance in hell he last until late RD6 where we pick next so......

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"You can have opinions, that seems fair, but when you start throwing in false information such as this.....it makes you look bad."

that a nice way to put it.

"I agree but.....

Joe Thomas was a rookie
Eric Steinbach was in his first year with the team
Hank Fraley was in his 2nd
Ryan Tucker had never played RG in his life
Kevin Shaffer was allways a LT before training camp and moved to RT"

you didn't do you homework. Tucker played RG for the RAMS his rookie season when he moved there when their RG got hurt.

"Your only argument is experience, but after the first game of the season the Browns entire OL only gave up 7 sacks. thats less than .5 per game. "

we gave up 19 the whole season. you already know that. six or seven came in the first game. Charlie Frye got sacked five or six times and DA got sacked once. The browns OL allowed 19 sacks the whole season, only 12 or 13 for the last 15 weeks. i have NO CLUE where your seven came from.

"Jake Long dominated everyone he faced in college.......except Gholston. So if there is such a thing as "owned" Gholston did it.

Weather you like it or not, when people think of Long and GHolston head to head, this is the only thing that matters........."

thats right, i forgot, if a rare physical specieman beats someone around the corner that benched the same reps as long did but is a hell of a lot faster, that makes one sack in 2 games "owned." i dont watch michigan games, but i watch the OSU/MICH games, and Gholston never "owned" long. he never bullrushed him. never game him a move. just blew by him on one play in one game.

"you complain way to much like the average american wife.

Your not one of those posters that goes crazy over a spelling error are you?"

this was towards J05son because we criticized you on your "forum etiquette". you do know he was the top person on this board to be the moderator right? you probably didn't look that up.

these are all direct quotes from DawgBone. In all of them you are either wrong on your facts or almost ignorant in you post. YOU my friend, are not always right. i've stated in my last post, try posting JUST what you think instead of trying to ridicule others for their post. some of which you've only made a fool of yourself by not knowing what your talking about.

i've never claimed to know more or less than anyone on this website, but i know when someone is wrong about something. these are die hard browns fans on this site, and they support anything that can improve this team on ANY level. these are people that were here BEFORE the 10-6 season.

i've only supported freddy's thought process on that schmitt guy because of his logic and his report ability to fill 2 roles. and regardless of where this guy lands, he'll probably be on the practice squad for a full year. plus, I'd have to say from everyone that posts in the browns part of this forum, Freddy probably knows the most about the draft prospects that could wind up in Cleveland.

your good at putting up to date information for the browns on this website, and i think i've even given you +rep before for your posts on that stuff. maybe, however, you should just stick to that copy and past stuff since all your other posts are either false information or subtly accusing someone else of being wrong and you being right.
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