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Old 03-16-2010, 12:06 PM    (permalink
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If Brady Quinn goes and puts up a 3500+ yard season with 20+ TDs and <10 INTs in Denver, and then Delhomme puts up another patented 18+ INT season in Cleveland, will Browns fans just want to tar and feather Mike Holmgren or what?
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If Brady Quinn goes and puts up a 3500+ yard season with 20+ TDs and <10 INTs in Denver, and then Delhomme puts up another patented 18+ INT season in Cleveland, will Browns fans just want to tar and feather Mike Holmgren or what?
However unlikely, yes. Cleveland isn't patient.
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let's go *real* unlikely and envision DA & BQ facing each other in the 2011 SB. the haters would have a field day.
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Out of curiosity what do you guys think Shaun Rogers might fetch in a trade?
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Out of curiosity what do you guys think Shaun Rogers might fetch in a trade?
Nothing less than a 3rd rd pick, although with 10 seasons on him that might be a stretch-but Holmgren likes over sized athletic dlineman.
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Nothing less than a 3rd rd pick, although with 10 seasons on him that might be a stretch-but Holmgren likes over sized athletic dlineman.
At least a 2nd... he's an elite nose guard and those guys play deep into their 30s at a very high level. Shaun Rogers is a freak and would give the Giants, Vikings, Eagles, or Saints a huge ugrade to the position.
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How about Shaun Rogers and D'Qwell Jackson for Derrick Johnson and the Chiefs' 2nd round pick (#50) that they received from Atlanta?
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How about Shaun Rogers and D'Qwell Jackson for Derrick Johnson and the Chiefs' 2nd round pick (#50) that they received from Atlanta?
No thank you. We'd be taking a huge loss on that move
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No thank you. We'd be taking a huge loss on that move
That's putting it mildly. **** NO!! TRich28.
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D'Qwell needs a solid MLB to go with him and we could get much more if we packaged a pick + shaun rogers to move up I think (Maybe from 7 to 1)
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Anyone have any info on Alex Hall? In 08 he had a soild year and many thought he be very good last year, did he just get into the dog house or what? thanks.
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Anybody else see this comment by Scott in his new Mock Draft?

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Now, Scott's a smart guy (at least in the realm of football), but this is a stupid comment. I mean, yeah, it's bad, so don't get me wrong. But, the worst two-deep in the NFL? No. I would say Seneca is actually one of the better backups in the league and we will see if Delhomme has anything left in the tank, but even if they are the worst, it's not by such a wide margin that this comment is warranted.

Ok, sorry. That just bothered me. Maybe I'm the only one that thinks this way, but it still pissed me off.
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Now, Scott's a smart guy (at least in the realm of football), but this is a stupid comment. I mean, yeah, it's bad, so don't get me wrong. But, the worst two-deep in the NFL? No. I would say Seneca is actually one of the better backups in the league and we will see if Delhomme has anything left in the tank, but even if they are the worst, it's not by such a wide margin that this comment is warranted.

Ok, sorry. That just bothered me. Maybe I'm the only one that thinks this way, but it still pissed me off.
Yeah, I mean we are not exactly in great shape at the position, but what about Buffalo, Miami, KC, Carolina or St. Louis. These teams don't have exactly a stellar QB tandem either. To call Clevelands the WORST, is quite a stretch.

Anyway, QB is a major need for us this year or the next.
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Not exactly thrilled to get a 31 year old veteran corner and what amounts to be a 26 year old draft pick.

Couldn't care less about losing Alex Hall, but I wouldn't have been shocked to get a pass rushing project just as good as Gocong in the 4th or 5th round who would be 3-5 years younger.

I hope this doesn't rule out Haden, since Brown's not gonna be here all that long.
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It's a good deal. Both corner spots are locked down, at least for a couple years, and we got, at worst, a good rotational OLB, for a 4th and 5th and a guy that didn't even see the field last year. It's not like we were going to draft and sign 12 guys anyways.
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Why? Jacksonville had between 15 and 20 rookies on their team last year and their roster is better than the Browns.
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Not exactly thrilled to get a 31 year old veteran corner and what amounts to be a 26 year old draft pick.

Couldn't care less about losing Alex Hall, but I wouldn't have been shocked to get a pass rushing project just as good as Gocong in the 4th or 5th round who would be 3-5 years younger.

I hope this doesn't rule out Haden, since Brown's not gonna be here all that long.
What are you talking? Charles Woodson is 34-AP Def player of the year, Gocong does not amount to a draft pick, he's a steady vet, still with upside. We would be especially lucky to find a 4th or 5th that could match up.
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What are you talking? Charles Woodson is 34-AP Def player of the year, Gocong does not amount to a draft pick, he's a steady vet, still with upside. We would be especially lucky to find a 4th or 5th that could match up.
Seconded. Come on dude. We didn't give up ****.

Alex Hall=0.

Our 4th rounder, and one of our 4 5th round picks?

I mean come on Gocong started for the Eagles, a pretty solid team, and it's generally agreed he'll be better in a 3-4. Plus he's young, we basically traded Wimbley for Gocong, and moved up from our 4th rounder into the 3rd. Brown is 31 yea, but he instantly becomes our best corner, and if he's solid for 2 years, then moves to a nickel its still a great value. You are seriously bitching about trading one of our FOUR 5th round picks for a pro-bowl caliber starting corner?

Plus, now we actually have a veteran cornerback to mentor the young guys we bring in, instead of just throwing them out their and saying good luck.

Go look at the Eagles message board and see how pissed they are about losing Sheldon Brown for nothing.
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What are you talking? Charles Woodson is 34-AP Def player of the year, Gocong does not amount to a draft pick, he's a steady vet, still with upside. We would be especially lucky to find a 4th or 5th that could match up.
You're comparing Sheldon Brown to Charles Woodson? Seriously?

Gocong has 4 career sacks in 5 year. Marcus Benard had 3.5 last year in 6 games. Gocong had 1 more sack than I did last year
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Not exactly thrilled to get a 31 year old veteran corner and what amounts to be a 26 year old draft pick.

Couldn't care less about losing Alex Hall, but I wouldn't have been shocked to get a pass rushing project just as good as Gocong in the 4th or 5th round who would be 3-5 years younger.

I hope this doesn't rule out Haden, since Brown's not gonna be here all that long.
for a 4th and 5th (and we have like 3 more 5th rounders still) and a scrub it's cookies for a pro bowl cornerback and a project OLB who Heckert and Mangini both really loved coming out of college 3 years ago (who has been in the wrong system). There is no losing in this scenario considering we'd be lucky to get a single decent starter with those 2 picks, let alone a pro bowl cornerback (for at least 2 seasons) and an OLB who might start for us this year. And no, it doesn't rule out Haden, but it certainly puts CB much lower on our list of needs. Keep in mind Brown can play safety too, and has the flexibility to let us have Wright-Elam-Brown-Haden OR Wright-Elam-Berry/Thomas-Brown starting if need be.

Not much to lose, and very little chance of not getting great production in this trade. Great trade for us. We still have 10 draft picks including three 3rds and three 5ths.
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Say Sheldon Brown plays well for, um, 3 years. That is being incredibly optimistic.

The Browns are still not going to make the playoffs in a division with the Ravens and Steelers in that timeframe if they are starting Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace. Even IF they draft a quarterback in 2010, it's going to be another 2 years minimum before he can develop into a playoff caliber player.

So basically speaking, Sheldon Brown will be cut long before he even has a chance to play in another playoff game.
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Say Sheldon Brown plays well for, um, 3 years. That is being incredibly optimistic.

The Browns are still not going to make the playoffs in a division with the Ravens and Steelers in that timeframe if they are starting Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace. Even IF they draft a quarterback in 2010, it's going to be another 2 years minimum before he can develop into a playoff caliber player.

So basically speaking, Sheldon Brown will be cut long before he even has a chance to play in another playoff game.
I'm not sure you understand how bad are defense and the secondary played last year. If Brown can play at or near his usual level of play for even two seasons it's a win for us.

I looked in on Gocong in 08 and can say he's about as good as Wimbley. Kam plays the run better but I'll wager Chris will be a better rusher and overall athlete in space-a better tackler.

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You're comparing Sheldon Brown to Charles Woodson? Seriously?

Gocong has 4 career sacks in 5 year. Marcus Benard had 3.5 last year in 6 games. Gocong had 1 more sack than I did last year
Of course not, but you brought up his age. There's no reason to believe he can't continue to be effective for another 3 seasons or so. He played at a higher level last season than Wright.
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Say Sheldon Brown plays well for, um, 3 years. That is being incredibly optimistic.

The Browns are still not going to make the playoffs in a division with the Ravens and Steelers in that timeframe if they are starting Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace. Even IF they draft a quarterback in 2010, it's going to be another 2 years minimum before he can develop into a playoff caliber player.

So basically speaking, Sheldon Brown will be cut long before he even has a chance to play in another playoff game.
With this thinking....bad teams should never try to do anything to improve their team unless it involves drafting top prospects?

I understand you are dissapointed that the Eagles made a boneheaded move that you can't seem to understand and have to attempt to rationalize through putting down the winners of the trade, but it is just pathetic on your part
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