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I think that that a late round CB would be better value since there really is zero depth at that position.

Colt McCoy is announced the starter for the rest of the year.
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I think that that a late round CB would be better value since there really is zero depth at that position.

Colt McCoy is announced the starter for the rest of the year.
They don't have zero depth at corner. Joe Haden, Eric Wright, and Sheldon Brown is not a bad situation. I think the late round corner is very reasonable though or UDFAs. Coye Francies was brought back in replacing Eric King. Hopefully he can contribute.

I hope McCoy is healthy and I am excited to see him play in the weather. That is really the last big test I want to see him pass and it's a swing right through the division.
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They don't have zero depth at corner. Joe Haden, Eric Wright, and Sheldon Brown is not a bad situation. I think the late round corner is very reasonable though or UDFAs. Coye Francies was brought back in replacing Eric King. Hopefully he can contribute.

I hope McCoy is healthy and I am excited to see him play in the weather. That is really the last big test I want to see him pass and it's a swing right through the division.
While those are 3 good players, there is no one on the roster behind them besides Mike Adams if someone goes down during a game. Will they be able to play a Nickel D? That might be their strategy though and just bring in guys when guys do get hurt...
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While those are 3 good players, there is no one on the roster behind them besides Mike Adams if someone goes down during a game. Will they be able to play a Nickel D? That might be their strategy though and just bring in guys when guys do get hurt...
Consider their depth at any other position on this team and it looks pretty good.
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Consider their depth at any other position on this team and it looks pretty good.
I consider it really top heavy. Our starters and backups are really good but we LITERALLY have no one behind them. Maybe that's a good thing though that they have enough faith in them to get it done. If you look at the LB'ers there is a lot of depth but then there are really no studs.
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I consider it really top heavy. Our starters and backups are really good but we LITERALLY have no one behind them. Maybe that's a good thing though that they have enough faith in them to get it done. If you look at the LB'ers there is a lot of depth but then there are really no studs.
I think the LBs have depth and no real starters. At best, they have some guys who can service as starters with impact players next to them such as Roth. Benard is nice depth.

You aren't wrong about the corner position though... but if we had a legit front seven save Rubin, it would be substantially easier to protect them.

And we have literally run out of DLinemen at times resulting in the UFO stuff.
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Yeah, it sucks having to bring the house just to get a pass rush, leaving the CB's on islands. It would be nice to be able to get solid pressure with 3 or 4.
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Yeah, it sucks having to bring the house just to get a pass rush, leaving the CB's on islands. It would be nice to be able to get solid pressure with 3 or 4.
I don't mind leaving them on an island as long as they aren't there forever. It would be nice to be able to get pressure with less guys as well though. Getting pressure, period, would be nice
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I was just thinking locking up the corner position for maybe 10-12 years would allow more freedom out of our weak front 7. It would be easier to get another impact corner than it would be to revamp the entire front 7 in one draft. More of an instant impact.
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I was just thinking locking up the corner position for maybe 10-12 years would allow more freedom out of our weak front 7. It would be easier to get another impact corner than it would be to revamp the entire front 7 in one draft. More of an instant impact.
I would rather take my chances with wright and brown than wait even longer for a front 7.
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I would rather take my chances with wright and brown than wait even longer for a front 7.
Just for clarity, Wright would still be around in my scenario. But I was just throwing out an idea that popped in my head earlier.
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Did you guys/gals read that link I posted the other day. I guess a radio station in Cleveland was reporting rumors about Mangini not coming back because Holmgren can't find an offensive coordinator who is willing to work with him.
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If the CBA isn't done, a new coach cannot do **** with the team. They can't install their offense, defense, whatever. And they will not be able to do this until the CBA is done and there would likely be a very abridged camp and preseason if any, so if the lockout is of almost any length, teams hiring new coaches will be at a significant competitive disadvantage.

Is Holmgren really so stupid as to put his hand picked coach or himself in such a situation where with a less talented team, they are also trying to hit the ground running with virtually no preperation in a division with Pittsburgh and Baltimore? Holmgren also cannot afford to have his guy come out as a dud, because the fans will turn on him in a heart beat after watching Mangini's team compete so hard every week of the year, who they seem to support.

Look at the rest of the NFL. Dallas, Minnesota, and Denver fired their coaches during the season. Two of those teams might have their head coaches already in place and right now is basically working as their preseason/camp/installation for next year, so when the CBA is ironed out, they have a shot to hit the ground running.

This could also result in a very low number of job openings. Carolina will probably still be open as John Fox's contract runs out, but I think Singletary's job could be saved as a result. This might also explain Gruden's kid commenting on jobs for the 2012 season as I'm sure he and his agent saw this coming.

So Holmgren may be stuck with Mangini whether he wants to be or not.
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Good points, I haven't been a Mangini guy. I have actually been an anti-Mangini guy. But I think he has earned another year. All I want is for Brian D"A-hole" to be fired. That's all. Pretty simple. Can D"A-hole". I doubt the report is true. There has to be a Holmgren guy out there looking for a job. If not we could just move up an assistant to OC as a stopgap. But if it is true and we can't find a worthy OC because nobody wants to work with Mangini. What then? We can't keep Daboll. Is that a firable offense? Can we justify that to the players, media and fans? It seems like Mangini is getting a good following in NorthEast Ohio.
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Good points, I haven't been a Mangini guy. I have actually been an anti-Mangini guy. But I think he has earned another year. All I want is for Brian D"A-hole" to be fired. That's all. Pretty simple. Can D"A-hole". I doubt the report is true. There has to be a Holmgren guy out there looking for a job. If not we could just move up an assistant to OC as a stopgap. But if it is true and we can't find a worthy OC because nobody wants to work with Mangini. What then? We can't keep Daboll. Is that a firable offense? Can we justify that to the players, media and fans? It seems like Mangini is getting a good following in NorthEast Ohio.
I just don't buy that. When Mangini was hired, all we heard about was that players hated playing for Mangini, except they clearly don't. They seem to give everything they have for the guy, ripping off wins in the last 4 games last year and playing tough in every game this year, despite being at a disadvantage in talent almost every single game.

For the sake of argument though, let's say no one wants to work with Mangini. The fact remains there are only 32 offensive coordinator gigs in the NFL. Someone will want the job.
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Yeah, do we take his power grab into consideration from last season? Or do we just decide his fate off of this season. He messed up ALOT last season. Kokinis, His draft, the whole QB debacle... Should Holmgren be considering that stuff?
Another thing, who do we blame for our second half collapses? Mangini or Daboll. Of our 8 losses only the Falcons and Steelers were games we didn't stand a chance of winning. I don't know how many games we lost after leading during halftime... KC, Tampa, Jax, Buffalo(maybe, most likely).. Baltimore? I mean who do we put up on the stake for the masses.
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A lot of hate for Daboll, who is an inexperienced playcaller having only been one for less than two full seasons so far....but people have to keep in mind that we have nothing at WR and our QBs have been Quinn, Anderson, Delhomme, Wallace, and the rookie McCoy under Daboll's watch. When McCoy is in there I don't think the playcalling is that bad usually and the offense has been creative with trick plays that worked this year. I thought the playcalling against New Orleans and New England was spectacular. Now if they fired Daboll and brought in someone else I wouldn't argue at all, we definitely could do better, but I think the blame for our offensive inconsistencies go far beyond the offensive coordinator.

As for the rumor about not finding an OC who would work with Mangini: A)consider the source. Rizzo show, and Sabrina in particular is about as lousy of a source as you can find on the inside dealings of the Browns. B) all the talk about players hating to play for Mangini turned out to be bogus, most of the guys on this team speak as highly of Mangini as I have ever heard, and C)just think about that statement for a minute: why would an aspiring young coach turn down the oppurtunity to move up from say a QB coach or OL coach to become a playcaller and get a significant increase in pay? Not being able to hire a proven experienced offensive coordinator is one thing, but there are plenty of good positional coaches out there who would make great OCs and would love a job on any team.
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Yeah, do we take his power grab into consideration from last season? Or do we just decide his fate off of this season. He messed up ALOT last season. Kokinis, His draft, the whole QB debacle... Should Holmgren be considering that stuff?
Another thing, who do we blame for our second half collapses? Mangini or Daboll. Of our 8 losses only the Falcons and Steelers were games we didn't stand a chance of winning. I don't know how many games we lost after leading during halftime... KC, Tampa, Jax, Buffalo(maybe, most likely).. Baltimore? I mean who do we put up on the stake for the masses.
how about the fact that our team isn't nearly as talented as teams like Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and Atlanta. In crunch time it's Roethlisberger, Ryan, etc. against Delhomme or Wallace in those games. Who do we have on defense that would start for the Jets, Ravens, Steelers, etc.? Not many guys. We've led in all but 2 games this year in the 4th quarter, with more talent I think this team finds ways to turn those into wins.
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how about the fact that our team isn't nearly as talented as teams like Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and Atlanta. In crunch time it's Roethlisberger, Ryan, etc. against Delhomme or Wallace in those games. Who do we have on defense that would start for the Jets, Ravens, Steelers, etc.? Not many guys. We've led in all but 2 games this year in the 4th quarter, with more talent I think this team finds ways to turn those into wins.
I really want to know what the ypc are for the RB's are in the 4th quarter. I feel like it's 3 and out every possession.
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I am certainly willing to listen to the talent argument concerning Brian Daboll, but his playcalling is still just God awful if you ask me.

As for Mangini, if people want to judge him from year one where he had total control, they are more than welcome to do that, but what we learned is that he should not have total control and he does not. In year two as purely the coach, he seems to have been a good coach in my opinion and that is the job he is being asked to do, so in my mind, it makes more sense to judge him on that.

I'm a big fan of the Mangini that outcoached Sean Payton and Bill Belichick and the guy who has a bunch of shlubs playing competitive football consistently and am excited of the prospect of what he could do with a talent full of actual talent.

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Please don't give Daboll ANY credit for the Saints win. He was handed 14 points from Rob's defense. His offense gained a total of 12 first downs. One was the Reggie Hodges 68ish yard run. Another was the 40 yard pass interference call. So you take away the gimmick play and the pass interference you got 10 first downs..
He called a good game against the Pats, but there have been plenty of horribly called games. Here is Daboll's play sheet.
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The Cleveland Browns have signed three more players to their offseason roster.

Cornerback Ramzee Robinson, defensive lineman Scott Paxson and quarterback Jarrett Brown were signed to reserve/future contracts on Friday.
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League sources indicate the Browns will try to hammer out a contract with Rams OC Pat Shurmur in the next 48 hours, allowing them to introduce him as their new head coach on Friday.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6015881
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Well Dolphins hired your former turd OC, Daboll. What can you educated Browns fan who watch all the games tell me about this guy offense?
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Well Dolphins hired your former turd OC, Daboll. What can you educated Browns fan who watch all the games tell me about this guy offense?
We didn't have alot of talent, so what we saw could have been misconceived.

*He's predictable when the game is on the line......run, run, 2 yard pass, punt
*On occassion it'll look like he has a tremedous offensive mind, next game you wanna hang him
*His offense here favored the TE and RBs


Phins got some better overall talent, so Daboll may impress this year, good luck with him.
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