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I actually think Weedon will be decent but rookie QB's quite often suffer on losing teams and he may well need a full 3 years before he is truly productive, which begs the question of how long a career he will have and why would a GM put such an old player as his building block for the future when it is so limited.
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New Browns owner’s first question: Can Brandon Weeden play?
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In a strong indication of how important rookie quarterback Brandon Weeden is to the future of the franchise, new Browns owner Jimmy Haslam says the very first thing he inquired about when talking to the team’s football boss, Mike Holmgren, was the progress of Weeden’s development.

Haslam told the Canton Repository that when he sat down with Holmgren for the first time, he got straight to the point, and asked whether Holmgren believes the team has its quarterback of the future.

“The first question I asked him was, ‘Can Brandon Weeden play?’” Haslam said. “To win in the NFL, you have to have a quarterback. OK? So the question is, can Brandon Weeden play?”

It’s not surprising that Haslam didn’t ask whether Colt McCoy can play — everyone in Cleveland seems to have agreed that McCoy is the past and Weeden is the present and future. It’s also not surprising that Holmgren — who took Weeden with the 22nd pick in this year’s NFL draft — answered that he thinks Weeden can play very well.

“He said, ‘Yeah. He can throw the ball. He can throw the ball. He can play,’” Haslam relayed Holmgren saying.

Haslam also wanted to know whether the Browns’ second-round draft pick, Mitchell Schwartz, will be ready to play at right tackle and give Cleveland another good starter on the offensive line along with left tackle Joe Thomas and center Alex Mack.

“Is the right tackle going to be good?” Haslam asked Holmgren. “Because we have a great left tackle. We have a great center. NFL teams . . . generally, if you have two good tackles and a center, you’re gonna be in good shape.”

Haslam wouldn’t say anything about the job security of Holmgren, G.M. Tom Heckert or head coach Pat Shurmur, other than it’s fair to say that Haslam wants to see progress during the 2012 season.

And there would be no greater sign of progress than Weeden establishing himself as a franchise quarterback.
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How do you guys feel about the starting line?

Thomas Pinkston Mack Shawn L Schwartz

Meh? Left could be great if Pinkston makes a stride this year. No clue what to expect from right though. I've seen nothing of Schwartz so I don't know.
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Thomas and Mack are good, Schwartz should be solid as a rookie and then be a stalwart at right tackle for a long time. Pinkston is apparently really improved now that he has an offseason under his belt and he is now used to playing guard after being a left tackle his entire career. Those 4 don't worry me at all. I think if Lauvao turns out to be good (or if we replace him next year with a good RG) then our O-Line will be very formidable. Definitely one of the strongest, most promising units on the team. We have long term solutions at at least 4 of the 5 spots right now.


Anyone else pumped to see how Jordan Cameron looks in the preseason? He's been a touchdown machine in camp thus far, definitely the most impressive offensive player thus far.
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I've been reading way too many homers hurling "sky is falling" to anyone raising serious concern over Trent's knee. Face it. It's a MAJOR concern the RB we traded up for at #3, who had a knee scope post season, now has soreness in the same knee midway thru his first training camp. Major.

I'm anxious to get a look at Hagg. Safety looks like the weakest unit on the team right now.

The line? Lauvao was just plain bad last season and hasn't really shown anything entering his 3rd season. I thought Schwartz was the best to 2nd best RT coming out but early reports are he's struggling a bit. But then again reportedly so is DeCastro. Still don't know if it was wise to pass Cordy Glenn to take Schwartz though. I liked Pinkston coming out and think he did a reasonable job as a rookie but it was still mediocre.
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It's very premature to call what Trent has a "major" concern. Maybe a slight concern. It's preseason. Teams are careful with runningbacks b/c they take a pounding during the season. They want to make sure he is fine by the time we start playing with live ammo. Start worrying when he starts to miss real games and actually gets hurt. Guys getting a couple knee scopes in an offseason is not un-normal.
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It's very premature to call what Trent has a "major" concern. Maybe a slight concern. It's preseason. Teams are careful with runningbacks b/c they take a pounding during the season. They want to make sure he is fine by the time we start playing with live ammo. Start worrying when he starts to miss real games and actually gets hurt. Guys getting a couple knee scopes in an offseason is not un-normal.
He is actually hurt. And he's gotten a couple of scopes months before he's played his first game. Not normal. It's major in the context of this fo, and where he was drafted, and the position he plays.
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"What? You didn't have a concussion?....so you're just soft."

Massaqoui needs to be cut asap. If I have have to sit thru another season of this guy wincing and stumbling everytime he gets tackled I'll hurt someone.
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Regarding the O-line, it has the potential to be much improved, especially if Lauvao is replaced by Greco or another player (not sure who at this point). My issue with Shaun is his pass blocking. Run blocking he's decent though. I'm hoping with Schwartz next to him rather than a hurt player basically playing on one good leg, that he'll improve. Part of the reason Pinkston's done a pretty good job, is because he's playing between Mack and Thomas, two of the best at their respective positions.

I noticed Greco has played center some this pre-season, and did a fine job from what I could tell. Based on the little he played last year at guard, I do think he's a better option than Lauvao.

Cousins on the other hand has been terrible at OT. Way too many penalties.
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Philadelphia is going to beat the living **** out of us week 1. Our starting offense was overmatched even by their 2nd string squad.

Does anyone want to discuss how much we suck or is it getting old :(

Josh Gordon made a real nice catch though.
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-Their first team defense was on the field against us in that game. They played the 2nd string offense, but the starting defense is the unit we struggled against, not their backups.

-We looked great on the first drive. the ineptitudes were mostly on fumbling the ball 3 times and having a punt blocked. Pinkston had a bad game.

-Gordon did have a real nice catch. Weeden has a good arm.

-Remember the year after the Giants won their first super bowl and we got slaughtered by them in the preseason......and then in the regular season on MNF led by Derek Anderson we slaughtered the super bowl champ Giants (who were considered the best team in the league at the time...??? Preseason doesn't mean ****.


I expect us to struggle a lot at times on offense. We have a rookie QB, RB, WR, and RT starting plus second year players at FB, LG, WR, and pretty much RG too (Lauvao missed his rookie year with injury sans 1 game). The talent is promising though, and those guys have shown flashes.
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We kept our starting offense in longer then they kept their starting defense and yes, even their 2nd string front dominated our line. And that's the worst I've seen Joe Thomas look. Hopefully he was loafing a little and will be prepared once the season hits. No matter how we'll look, I'm convinced Weeden is a better choice than Colt. The problem is whether anyone is going to get open and hold on to the ball. Trent better look all world or yikes...with our schedule.

And can we just get rid of Marecic now? This guy was the first FB taken? I'm disappointed in Hardesty too. I loved him coming out but his vision is terrible. He simply ducks his head and runs where it's designed to go.
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Yeah Marceic has been a huge disappointment thus far. His blocking scares no one. Perhaps Heckert took that into account upon his selection of Smelley? At least Smelley brings receiving skills but I don't know anything about him as a blocker.

Furthermore, hopefully Pinkston bounces back against Chicago and Weeden does something that helps him hold onto the ball. He needs to understand that ends and tackles are going to swing at it relentlessly. I've been a bit pessimistic and I apologize if it's been annoying.

It is nice to have a quarterback that's actually capable of throwing an NFL caliber deep ball and can accurately throw underneath routes. One of Colt's few positives ( i didn't give a **** about how many games he won in college, David Greene won a **** ton too) was his accuracy, but he showed little accuracy when he was thrown in.

Hopefully things slow down for Josh Gordon and he continues to put in the work in order to refine his game, dude's mega talented it'd be a shame for him to fail with how gifted he is.

To end my rant, Billy Wynn doesn't look bad at all, he seems like a nice player thus far. Also, James Michael-Johnson is holding up pretty well too. I think we hit on a couple players in the middle-rounds. Mitchell Schwartz needs to keep improving on balance also.
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• “The biggest problem with Cleveland right now is that they burned high picks on two quarterbacks and still don’t have one. (Brandon) Weeden is 28. By the time he cuts his teeth, he will be 32, so you have to start looking at another guy in the next year or two. That means they are going to spend another (early) pick on a quarterback when they could have gotten another difference maker instead. Who are their receivers? They don’t have anyone that scares me. That doesn’t make the job any easier.”
Right now the Browns biggest problems are imo...

1. Lauvao is the offensive line weak link. Clearly a bust of a 3rd round pick that Heckert hopes will get better. not happening.

2. Hardesty is a bust. There, I said it. I loved him coming out of Tenn but the guy is not shifty, doesn't have good vision and is injury prone. Jackson or someone else 2nd string.

3. Jordan Norwood needs more burn. Not exactly a hidden gem but he's the teams' best yac receiver and a more reliable pass catcher than Little, especially for the slot.

4. About Little. He needs a role closer to what he had in college. Make him a situational WR/RB and take advantage of his playmaking with the ball already in his hands and try to create mismatches out the backfield.

5. And Cribbs. The guy was carrying the team on his back before Shurmur arrived. Doesn't take much imagination to recognize he could be more valuable than strictly a special teams guy.
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totally with you on Hardesty. Wouldn't be surprised him cut after what looks to be a rather below average season even by 2nd string back standards. He takes the hand-off, and just lowers his head and hopes for the best it seems. Blind-folded.
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So cut day was last Friday, and now that the dust is starting to settle of the Week One 53-man rosters around the NFL, the Browns have FIFTEEN rookies to make the squad. Ten draftees and five undrafted players! That's a pretty freaking young team. Not to mention the number of second year players we already have (I think there are about nine or ten).

This is gonna be a rough year production-wise most likely, and I expect a lot of impatient fans calling for heads to roll after they see we don't win many games, but fifteen freaking rookies in our division you gotta be realistic. Not many coaches and GMs can win this year with the youth, inexperience, and talent we have right now. Hopefully Weeden, Richardson, Gordon, Little, Schwartz all turn out to be the real deal so we can start climbing out of the gutter next season though.
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Alright I decided to sit down and write out my Cleveland season preview...

September 9th vs. Eagles: Loss (31-17)

September 16th @ Bengals: Win (27-21)

September 23rd vs. Bills: Win (20-14)

September 27th @ Ravens: Loss (31-10)

October 7th @ Giants: Loss (28-17)

October 14th vs. Bengals: Loss (20-17)

October 21st @ Colts: Win (31-21)

October 28th vs. Chargers: Loss (24-20)

November 4th vs. Ravens: Loss (27-17)

November 18th @ Cowboys: Loss (24-21)

November 25th vs. Steelers: Loss (17-14)

December 2nd @ Raiders: Win (28-24)

December 9th vs. Chiefs: Win (24-14)

December 16th vs. Redskins: Loss (34-31)

December 23rd @ Broncos: Loss (38-24)

December 30th @ Steelers: Win (13-10)

Record: 6-10

I believe that the Browns will finish anywhere from 5-11 to 7-9, so I looked at the games and came up with 6-10. They always play the division hard, and I realize that many believe the division to be vastly superior to them; I feel that only the Ravens can rightfully claim that now. The Browns also are lucky to play the AFC West which is an up and down, inconsistent division.

Offense

2011: Total PG - 288.8 (29th), Points PG - 13.6 (30th), Pass PG - 193.1 (24th), Rush PG - 95.7 (28th)

Projected 2012: Total PG: 325, Points PG - 20.7, Pass PG - 215, Rush PG - 110

- I fully believe that a full training camp in Shurmur/Childress' system and with the additions of Weeden, Richardson, Gordon and Schwartz the offense will become roughly a touchdown better. Weeden has a much bigger arm than McCoy, and while he may throw quite a few interceptions, I believe they will open up the playbook a bit. These bigger plays will inevitably help open up the running game, and the addition of Richardson with a healthy Hardesty, I believe a large improvement of 15 yards per game is attainable.

- I hope the play calling is aggressive and that they actually take shots down the field. The coaching staff should understand that the talent level and game experience of the team is relatively low and they should be more aggressive and use the athleticism of Gordon, Little, Cameron, Benjamin, and Richardson to their advantage.

- Random Stats:

Greg Litte with 95 Receptions, 1064 Yards, 5 Touchdowns

Trent Richardson with 1267 Yards on 288 Attempts, 32 Receptions for 272 Yards, 11 Touchdowns

Defense

2011: Total PG - 332.4 (10th), Points PG - 19.2 (5th), Pass PG - 184.9 (2), Rush PG 147.4 (30th)

Projected 2012: Total PG - 340, Points PG - 23.6, Pass PG - 215, Rush PG - 125

- This defense, statistically, is pretty impressive. They did rank 30th in rush defense but they kept the yards per attempt to 4.4 which ranked 19th. With the offensive project of more points, and a more competitive offense, this defense should naturally allow more passing yards and allow less rushing yards.

- The defense will be better with Rucker and the return of a healthy Ward. These two should provide help in both phases of the game. When Taylor returns, the defense will take a step up to a perennial Top 10 unit in the league. Haden's possible suspension could be a problem; I'm not worried about Fujita missing time, but Haden is a big time player and a premium position, so his suspension could allow DeSean Jackson, A.J. Green, Steve Johnson, and Torrey Smith extra big play opportunity.

Overview

This will be an interesting and exciting season for Browns' fans. The offense will go through their ups and downs, but overall, I see them improving. The defense, statistically, might take a step back, but their 2011 season was one with many anomalies. Overall, I see the young defense improving as an all-around unit.

Get ready guys and let's hope for a surprise wild card season, but let us enjoy the progression of the team we love the most. Go Brownies.

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Nice job mgmgrand. Very realistic. Important point about Weeden's arm that you made. We haven't had a QB in a very long time who could through those out pattern passes and sideline passes, as accurately and with as much zip on the ball as Weeden. If he can hold the INT totals down the Browns could surprise people. With Richardson the entire offensive dynamic changes, meaning the QB wont have to carry the team with his arm. Plus, Weeden has taken Kosar's advice in taking chances downfield to prevent defenses from stacking the box, something McCoy didn't do for whatever reason.

My best case scenario (while trying to be realistic to some degree):

Eagles - Loss
Bengals - Win
Bills - Loss (Have a bad feeling about this game)
Ravens - Win!
Giants - Win (Shockers 2 weeks in a row)
Bengals - Win
Colts - Win
Chargers - Loss
Ravens - Loss
Cowboys - Loss
Steelers - Win
Raiders - Win (Finally a win on the WC)
Chiefs - Win
Redskins - Win
Broncos - Win
Steelers - Loss

10-6 final record, with a possible playoff berth.

Special teams could throw a monkey wrench into this though. They have to improve.

Would love to see the Browns win against Philly to bump it up to 11-5. That should be enough to get them into the playoffs.

I admit a lot would have to go right for them to win 10 or 11 games, and it's an optimistic view, but I don't believe it's impossible. The defense is getting better, and the offense made huge upgrades at RB and possibly at QB. I also like Brandon Jackson as backup RB. Hardesty if he can hold onto the ball might be ok also, and the rookie WR's Benjamin and Gordon will help a lot right away.

We'll see, but I expect the Browns to make the playoffs every year. Guess I should temper my expectations, but I enjoy being optimistic this time of year.

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-Young defense was great. Undrafted free agent rookie linebackers (Craig Robertson and LJ Fort) played really well. Jackson was a force, TJ Ward was a beast, and Joe Haden again proved that he is one of the top 5 in the game at his position. D-Line pressured Vick all day and the coverage was sound. All this despite being on the field allllll day. Very encouraging unit.

-Cribbs is still good. I wish we'd get him involved in the offense at least a little bit. Dumb coaches. Wasted talent.

-Eagles stacked the box with 8 all day and played press man-to-man coverage on our WRs all day. Richardson had no where to go. They should've tried to force the ball to him in open space at least on swing passes and screens more often.

-Weeden...ugh....probably the worst QB performance in Browns history. I know it's only one game, but has a QB with that kind of start ever turned out to be anything at all in the NFL???? Even a backup QB, let alone a starter???? How did this guy get taken in round one with accuracy and decision making like that when he is 29 years old? I don't wanna even talk about the other negatives, it's too depressing. The young WRs didn't look half bad, the QB is the problem right now with this team. I can stand everything else: OL, WR, TE, RB, and defense all are fine if we had a good QB to make the those units looks better than they are.
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-Weeden...ugh....probably the worst QB performance in Browns history. I know it's only one game, but has a QB with that kind of start ever turned out to be anything at all in the NFL???? Even a backup QB, let alone a starter???? How did this guy get taken in round one with accuracy and decision making like that when he is 29 years old? I don't wanna even talk about the other negatives, it's too depressing. The young WRs didn't look half bad, the QB is the problem right now with this team. I can stand everything else: OL, WR, TE, RB, and defense all are fine if we had a good QB to make the those units looks better than they are.
Not a Cleveland fan, just posting this to answer your inquiry. Here is every instance of a rookie quarterback posting a QB Rating of less than 10 on at least 15 pass attempts

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...by=pass_rating

None of them preformed as poorly in their first game but Aikman had two games during his rookie season with a QB Rating under 5. Eli Manning put up a QB Rating of 0.0 against the Ravens during his rookie year.

Norman Snead is the only guy on that list who did it during week 1. He went on to have a lengthy journeyman career with a few decent seasons.
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Today I couldn't tell the difference between Brandon weeden and an abortion like I said in the game day thread. Felt bad for Trent. As soon as he got the hand off dudes were in his face.

I actually thought the o line did okay considering their first game of the season was against one of the best defensive lines the nfl has to offer.

As you said key the young guys on defense were light out today. Lj fort could have won us the game but nobody on the planet should pin the loss on him. Hadens a ******* star.

Buster skrine besides the moronic fair catch interference was okay. I actually like our secondary. Wards legit and its good to see him back out there. Dick jauran called an incredible game throwing multiple blitzes at Vick and making sure he stayed rattled and confused.

We weren't that good at stopping the run but the defended did everything you could have possibly asked.

I cant even talk about weeden he made me ******* sick today. What irked me the most was that he couldn't learn from his mistake on attacking cromartie.I understand the first one but the fact he did the exact same thing twice made me irate. He isn't even worth discussing any further.
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I can only see 3 or 4 wins at the most and only when our defense scores a few points.
If we win 5 or 6 gamesa, our HC should be COY because we aren't much of a football team.
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3 or 4 wins almost seems generous. I don't think the defense is as good as it looked. That was just an awful performance by Vick; and Reid stubbornly showing confidence in him instead of leaning entirely on McCoy. I put that offensive display more on Shurmur then any of the players. This is the personal and the offense that he thought was the best we could field.

Weeden missed on some key throws, including 2 TD passes but it's hard to say if the bad timing with the receivers was entirely his fault. His pocket presence certainly was terrible, but what was really disheartening is that he got worse as the game went on. His confidence might already be shot after just one game. It didn't help that Shurmur also lost confidence in him.

But our HC really lost it when he went into his familiar shell after DQ put us ahead. You would think this guy would have learned after last season that trying to hang on for a win and not attacking just doesn't work.
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Checked out the All 22 coaches film of the Eagles game. I've got to say I'm a little less critical of Shurmur and more so of the QB and WRs.

The Eagles played man press, single high S most of the game and the WRs rarely won. Unfortunately when they did it seemed like Weeden misfired. A few incompletions, especially 2nd half, were def on the WRs but Weeden missed an open A.Smith in the end zone and Ben Watson for a couple big plays that would have changed everything.

Late in the game his decision making really tanked, forcing throws instead of staying poised and seeing what the D might give him. Schwartz was absolutely owned by Babin, in the run and pass game. Richardson didn't make good on, really only a couple, opportunities to break a big run. Marecic is worthless but the Eagles actually played great run defense.

Seemed like Weeden and the WRs/TE are just not in sync enough to consistently beat press coverage. The only ray of hope is that most teams don't have as good of man press guys as the Eagles.

Interestingly, Luck looked a lot like Weeden for a good part of his first game but the big difference was Reggie Wayne and the semblance of a running game.
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