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Old 11-08-2007, 03:45 AM    (permalink
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If they get him some O-line help, maybe he could produce. I guess being his first season where he is the work horse, with crap around him, qb and o-line, has made him look like crap. I think he is a back that needs to split carries, some backs have gotten it done with swiss cheese for o-line. But then again look at Edge James in AZ, with O-line help if he still does crap, then he has to go.
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I think there is a 60% chance he's gone next year if he continues to play the way he has been.

The OL is indeed terrible though.
he ain't going anywhere. His cap hit would still hurt this team a ton. Something like 5 million I think.
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We could draft another RB this year but the problem isn't the RB's, it's the person choosing these players. JA has a terrible eye for talent on the offensive side of the ball. He hasn't drafted one good offensive player outside of Greg Olsen, who looks like a keeper. The only other player on offense that he's drafted that has been worth anything is Berrian. But Berrian has played like crap this year, he hasn't been catching the ball and he looks lazy running his routes, not to mention that he doesn't really like to block.

So in all reality, if we ever want a good offense, JA has to step aside and let someone who knows how to evaluate talent on offense make the decisions. (which will never happen, so we should just hope for another GM)
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Anything less than 25 carries and 100 yards against the Raiders this weekend, and I'd be really concerned with Benson.

btw I love Olsen. What a great pick at #31. The next Tony Gonzalez imo.
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What we need is a great young offensive mind to be our OC.
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So in all reality, if we ever want a good offense, JA has to step aside and let someone who knows how to evaluate talent on offense make the decisions. (which will never happen, so we should just hope for another GM)

But IMO JA has done a GREAT job. His eye for defensive talent is top notch, and if it means that we wont have a top 10 offense in the NFL...so be it.
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For what its worth, from a guy who's a Giants fan, and a Benson owner in Fantasy football, Benson reminds me of Ron Dayne.

Slow off the ball, not great vision, and for a guy who's supposed to be a pounder, he doesn't do alot of pounding.

However, I don't think he's as bad as people are painting him just yet. Give him a fair shake. In all likelihood, he'll be decent in a 1,2 RBC punch. I just don't think he'll be the workhorse he was supposed to be.
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Yeah he needs to split the carriers, but also he can't be working with a crap line. Even the Edge James can't do anything with crap line look at him now.
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Im a longhorn fan, so I need to give my two cents...

I thought Benson was over hyped coming out of college, however I did think he was a sure-fire solid NFL running back.

I would say he has been disappointing. Not horrible, and it is not all his fault. But if his attitude was better, I would feel sorry for him.

As it stands now, he needs to shut the heck up.
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Benson's stats say he played terrible, and he did at times today, well yesterday, but overall he did alright. The offensive line was terrible, and he had a couple good runs. Benson's problems are fixable, if we sure up the offensive line and get a compentent number 2 running back. None of this Garrett Wolfe **** get the midget outta here, and let AP slide back to 3 and special teams.
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His stats where similar to White, White had 30 carries for 100 yards. Wolfe had 1 carry. White and Benson are similar, White has 4 ypc, but thats a bit inflated because of his few 100 yrd games. Benson has like 3, true dat that White is doing better on the goaline.
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I think if JA wants to do his pick in Benson some justice, he should draft OL at least 2wice in the 1st three rounds. Benson has been bad, but he shows flashes every once in a while getting those 9 yarders. Even if he doesnt pan out, we will still have some young guys on the OL as the base. Its a win win
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But IMO JA has done a GREAT job. His eye for defensive talent is top notch, and if it means that we wont have a top 10 offense in the NFL...so be it.
Yes but if it means your offense, which isn't brilliant to begin with, is just getting worse over the years... And I hate to mention it, but your defense isn't playing that well either.
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Yeah, bear d is going down hill.
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His stats where similar to White, White had 30 carries for 100 yards. Wolfe had 1 carry. White and Benson are similar, White has 4 ypc, but thats a bit inflated because of his few 100 yrd games. Benson has like 3, true dat that White is doing better on the goaline.
How are White's stats inflated because he had a few 100 yard games?
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Before, I was gung ho for ditching Benson. Now I am rethinking my thought process. Benson is a runner much like Alexander and LJ, needs a good line. When they have a good line, they not only are good, but they excel at a very high level. I think we need to give Benson that chance.
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Before, I was gung ho for ditching Benson. Now I am rethinking my thought process. Benson is a runner much like Alexander and LJ, needs a good line. When they have a good line, they not only are good, but they excel at a very high level. I think we need to give Benson that chance.
How have you came to that conclusion? Has Benson ever been successful in the NFL?
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Yes but if it means your offense, which isn't brilliant to begin with, is just getting worse over the years... And I hate to mention it, but your defense isn't playing that well either.
The offense is getting worse because the offensive line is getting worse. Struggling against the Raiders? Run the red flags.

The Bears definitely need to address offensive line in this upcoming Draft, as some posters have wisely noted already.
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Yeah, bear d is going down hill.
Actually our defense has improved considerably over the last 3 games. We've dealt with some issues this season but by and large the defense is young and talented. I'm not sure what 2008 will hold for the Bears, but I'm fairly certain we'll be back in the top 10 of defenses.

Offense may require another serious overhaul again though.
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How have you came to that conclusion? Has Benson ever been successful in the NFL?
The same way you came to the Orton is garbage conclusion ;)

Last year he had some sucsess when the offensive line was playing well. You can also attribute that to the 1-2 punch, and an existing passing attack, but he still didnt play atrocious. According to Fox Sports, he was averaging 4.1ypc last year. Not amazing, but its around the average. Thats when the line is playing good in his second year.

And I came to that conclusion after I read it somewhere *dont ask me where*. I like the comparison, I am not saying that he is LJ or Alexander, but he has shown that he can get a good 5-10yrd run when there is a hole, a la offensive line. Like I said, build the line, see how he does, its a win win
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The same way you came to the Orton is garbage conclusion ;)

Last year he had some sucsess when the offensive line was playing well. You can also attribute that to the 1-2 punch, and an existing passing attack, but he still didnt play atrocious. According to Fox Sports, he was averaging 4.1ypc last year. Not amazing, but its around the average. Thats when the line is playing good in his second year.

And I came to that conclusion after I read it somewhere *dont ask me where*. I like the comparison, I am not saying that he is LJ or Alexander, but he has shown that he can get a good 5-10yrd run when there is a hole, a la offensive line. Like I said, build the line, see how he does, its a win win
I agree that runningback is far from the Bears main issue. I'm probably just thinking of Benson as the 5th overall pick instead of a runningback who could be solid but unspectacular. It's sometimes hard to separate a players draft position and what can be expected out of them a few years later.
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I think they are going to bring him back for one more year. That said, I do expect them to add a back, whether it be through FA or the draft. Considering our glaring OT/QB concerns, along with other potential concerns at S and WR, amongst others, I think we'll look FA hard. Just not sure if we have the room to sign Burner, but we'll have to wait and see. Can't think of who else is a FA RB right now.
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they already have that scat back (garrett wolfe) that can compliment bensons game and bring some energy and change of pace to this bears O. why arent they using him more often?
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I think they are going to bring him back for one more year. That said, I do expect them to add a back, whether it be through FA or the draft. Considering our glaring OT/QB concerns, along with other potential concerns at S and WR, amongst others, I think we'll look FA hard. Just not sure if we have the room to sign Burner, but we'll have to wait and see. Can't think of who else is a FA RB right now.
A few of the big names:

Jamal Lewis
Fred Taylor
Chris Brown
Julius Jones

Julius Jones could be an interesting experiment in Chicago.
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