Big Week, Boys vs. Giants, Skins vs. Iggles - Page 4

cowboysforever · 11-06-2007, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

Checked Week 1 Tape. No burnage.

Talk to Rod Woodson and Sterling Sharpe who broke out the tape of two TDs the Giants got showing Roy Williams getting burnt, being out of position, etc......

1) I am tired of this Williams SS discussion. Not one non-Cowboy fan thinks this guy is any good at anything other than LBer. He could not cover shat with stink.

2) He is not playing safety -- so to say he is not getting burnt deep -- uh duh, he is playing Linebacker most of the time in passing downs. He is not being asked to cover anything beyond 20 yards

3) The few times he does get caught in coverage v the TE, teams almost always go to that guy. Watson catch in the NE game. Wade over throw in the Minn game. The Buffalo TE on one play that resulted in a TD. At leat, 1-2 times per game he gets caught covering and good QBs find his assignment for big yards.

D-Unit · 11-07-2007, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by cowboysforever

Talk to Rod Woodson and Sterling Sharpe who broke out the tape of two TDs the Giants got showing Roy Williams getting burnt, being out of position, etc......

1) I am tired of this Williams SS discussion. Not one non-Cowboy fan thinks this guy is any good at anything other than LBer. He could not cover shat with stink.

2) He is not playing safety -- so to say he is not getting burnt deep -- uh duh, he is playing Linebacker most of the time in passing downs. He is not being asked to cover anything beyond 20 yards

3) The few times he does get caught in coverage v the TE, teams almost always go to that guy. Watson catch in the NE game. Wade over throw in the Minn game. The Buffalo TE on one play that resulted in a TD. At leat, 1-2 times per game he gets caught covering and good QBs find his assignment for big yards.

Rob, If I haven't seen him get burnt it doesn't count. :D

Roy will get to the Pro Bowl this year. Bank on it. He don't get beat deep.

Turtlepower · 11-07-2007, 12:50 AM

As I've said before, if you Cowboys fans don't want Roy, us Giants fans will be happy to take him off of your backs.

703SKINS202 · 11-07-2007, 01:05 AM

if roy can get to the pro bowl this year then ill be there too

b316 · 11-07-2007, 01:08 AM

I like Roy, i think Cowboys win against Giants, if Giants put up points close game if they don't its going to be a blow out.

Skins win easily against eagles, they pound it with Portis and he gets me Fantasy points. Eagles D, is just pathetic at time, stopping the run was never something the D could do well, unless they super game planned, and the RB was the only weapon the team has(LT, and Peterson)

McBain · 11-07-2007, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by 703SKINS202

if roy can get to the pro bowl this year then ill be there too

i will cheer for you

Ward · 11-07-2007, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Number 10

Ward did.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/for...ad.php?t=13074

I stand by my assessment.

Turtlepower · 11-07-2007, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by bhaarat316

I like Roy, i think Cowboys win against Giants, if Giants put up points close game if they don't its going to be a blow out.

And the team with the most points will surely win, John Madden.

Jughead10 · 11-07-2007, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Turtlepower

As I've said before, if you Cowboys fans don't want Roy, us Giants fans will be happy to take him off of your backs.

Maybe for weakside linebacker.

NYGibril28 · 11-07-2007, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Jughead10

Maybe for weakside linebacker.

Or special teams

cowboysforever · 11-07-2007, 07:32 AM

He has played well in his LB duties I must say.

As far as a coverage LB -- not bad at all.

Number 10 · 11-07-2007, 09:17 AM

Is D serious about thinking Williams is a good safety or is he being sarcastic?

Jughead10 · 11-07-2007, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Number 10

Is D serious about thinking Williams is a good safety or is he being sarcastic?

It is hard to tell.

cowboysforever · 11-07-2007, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Number 10

Is D serious about thinking Williams is a good safety or is he being sarcastic?

Go check the Row Williams thread on the Cowboys board.

Only three people think he is what he is (bad). I am one of them.

They are dead serious. They even think he still plays safety.

The new new story line is has not been burnt this year and is playing well ... therefore he is not a bad safety. But he is almost exclusively given LB duties .....

Just incredible if you ask me.,

Number 10 · 11-07-2007, 12:34 PM

Well Antonio Pierce hasn't been beat deep all season either...therefore I guess he is a great cover MLB.

D-Unit · 11-07-2007, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Number 10

Is D serious about thinking Williams is a good safety or is he being sarcastic?

It's not about him being good or bad. He's stuck being a Cowboy for the rest of his career, so you better bet your ass that I will cheer for him to do well in whatever capacity he is in. For better or worse, he's what we have to live with. He will continue going to the Pro Bowl because he is a playmaker. He's doing a damn good job this year and he puts fear into the minds of guys crossing his path. Not many players out there like him.

Guys like Rob (cowboysforever) will hate him and that's fine, but there is nothing changing in the future, so he can dwell in his own misery. Roy ain't as bad as he says. But Roy is good enough to be a Pro Bowler. 2 facts right there. He'll never be a good cover safety, but there are other things that he brings to the table that make him an asset. Haters won't acknowledge it because of.... well.. HATE.

D-Unit · 11-07-2007, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Number 10

Well Antonio Pierce hasn't been beat deep all season either...therefore I guess he is a great cover MLB.

Roy provides a bigger impact for the Cowboys than any of the Giants Safeties provide their team.

Jughead10 · 11-07-2007, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

He's doing a damn good job this year and he puts fear into the minds of guys crossing his path. Not many players out there like him.

Apparently Jeremy Shockey didn't get this memo.

Jughead10 · 11-07-2007, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

Roy provides a bigger impact for the Cowboys than any of the Giants Safeties provide their team.

You could say that, when referring to one aspect of his game. You could also say he is more of a liability as well than any Giants safety.

Jughead10 · 11-07-2007, 12:43 PM

Is Fasano going to be lined up more in the backfield again and lineup as more of an H-back/FB?

Burns336 · 11-07-2007, 12:44 PM

He cant cover and I've accepted it.... But is it too much to ask for one of those big hits that we came to know Roy by in his first few seasons? I haven't seen a bone crushing hit in about 2 years. I got 2 medium big hits against the Vikings, but where is the type of hit that he laid on Amani Toomer a few years back. Give me something, a Big hit, a TD, a FF...anything.

Jughead10 · 11-07-2007, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Burns336

He cant cover and I've accepted it.... But is it too much to ask for one of those big hits that we came to know Roy by in his first few seasons? I haven't seen a bone crushing hit in about 2 years. I got 2 medium big hits against the Vikings, but where is the type of hit that he laid on Amani Toomer a few years back. Give me something, a Big hit, a TD, a FF...anything.

In all fairness, had Hamlin not picked that ball off last week, I think Roy would have had it right behind him.

Burns336 · 11-07-2007, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jughead10

Is Fasano going to be lined up more in the backfield again and lineup as more of an H-back/FB?

Probably. We just lost Deon Anderson for the year (rookie FB who was progressing nicely) and our starter at the beginning of the season, Hoyte, is still injured with a c-5 neck sprain.

I think we're going to see alot of 2 TE packages against you guys and/or witten and fasano lining up at the H-back/FB spot. We'll probably see some new formations with Julius and Barber in the backfield at the same time.

Damix · 11-07-2007, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

Roy provides a bigger impact for the Cowboys than any of the Giants Safeties provide their team.

The awesome 4th grade argument of hes better then what you got so you cant call him bad.

Of course no one mentioned the Giants safeties before you said this. And I guess not having a good safety means all Giants fans can't have an opinion on them?

Jughead10 · 11-07-2007, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Burns336

Probably. We just lost Deon Anderson for the year (rookie FB who was progressing nicely) and our starter at the beginning of the season, Hoyte, is still injured with a c-5 neck sprain.

I think we're going to see alot of 2 TE packages against you guys and/or witten and fasano lining up at the H-back/FB spot. We'll probably see some new formations with Julius and Barber in the backfield at the same time.

Yeah, I read that about your FB situation and just assumed that Fasano would fill in somewhat.