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Old 12-26-2008, 05:00 PM    (permalink
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Cameron Worrell is back... honestly, is there any stopping us now?
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Manning gets a bad rap because of the Minnesota game where AP dominated us. We needed the ball back, and Manning decided to go for the strip instead of the tackle. He is certainly no outstanding tackler, but he isn't as bad as some make him out to be.

As for AA, god he was brutal. Steltz getting ran over yesterday was shades of AA pretty much all of last year. At least AA has a hot wife though.
Wasn't Manning the one who blew the play against Reggie Wayne in the SB? I could have remembered it was him and not Chris Harris. The year he played he consistently took bad angles as the last line of defense. RB's would simply cut and he'd be out of the play. His coverage was piss poor as well. I will say he's doing much better now and there may be some hope he turns his career around but his first years war far from decent.
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Wasn't Manning the one who blew the play against Reggie Wayne in the SB? I could have remembered it was him and not Chris Harris. The year he played he consistently took bad angles as the last line of defense. RB's would simply cut and he'd be out of the play. His coverage was piss poor as well. I will say he's doing much better now and there may be some hope he turns his career around but his first years war far from decent.
I never said it was though... I'm just saying Manning is a lot better then people give him credit for, right now.
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I never said it was though... I'm just saying Manning is a lot better then people give him credit for, right now.
ahh ok. Sorry about that. I don't think its that people don't give him credit..its just that it's hard to forget what he'd continually f up on the previous years that stick in the back of peoples minds. Especially the brain lapse that sparked the Colts run in the Superbowl. *ugh*

I think he's coming along much better than expected though. Special teams has helped him a ton. He did come from a D-II school so maybe it's just taking him longer than people thought he'd need to perform at a top level in the pro's. I will say I'm impressed with his progress.
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ahh ok. Sorry about that. I don't think its that people don't give him credit..its just that it's hard to forget what he'd continually f up on the previous years that stick in the back of peoples minds. Especially the brain lapse that sparked the Colts run in the Superbowl. *ugh*

I think he's coming along much better than expected though. Special teams has helped him a ton. He did come from a D-II school so maybe it's just taking him longer than people thought he'd need to perform at a top level in the pro's. I will say I'm impressed with his progress.
Can I retract this statement please? lmaoo...I've just seen the Superbowl play all over again and he's fugging up the one thing he's proven to do really well this season. lmaooo
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I don't know why he's playing FS... He should stay strictly at nickel back. I blame that on the coaching staff. I think everyone and their dogs have realized that Manning is no good at safety.
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It was either Manning starting or Steltz starting. I would have preferred Steltz, but I'm not sure there's a right decision there.
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It was either Manning starting or Steltz starting. I would have preferred Steltz, but I'm not sure there's a right decision there.
Well...we should know that Manning isn't very good starting at S. With Steltz, at least he could have been better. We also could have seen what we had in him to see how big of priority FS is going into the offseason.
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Well...we should know that Manning isn't very good starting at S. With Steltz, at least he could have been better. We also could have seen what we had in him to see how big of priority FS is going into the offseason.
Are there any FA's other than Dawkins?
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I can't think of anyone good off the top of my head. Whatshisface with the name for the Rams. OJ....dunno if he's actually any good or just very lucky with receiver's hands.
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Oh well. I predicted us to win 4 games this year, so 9-7 isn't so bad. I'll be fine if everyone comes back next year. But I expect that everyone will be on notice that missing the playoffs again is unacceptable.

Should be an interesting offseason.
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god damn it. **** Nick Roach. **** Tommie Harris. **** Danieal Manning. **** this defense. **** the bears. **** the coaches for not using Forte in the 2nd qrt. jesus christ everyone die
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Oh well. I predicted us to win 4 games this year, so 9-7 isn't so bad. I'll be fine if everyone comes back next year. But I expect that everyone will be on notice that missing the playoffs again is unacceptable.

Should be an interesting offseason.
You can say that again. How many of you believe Babich will be back? I for one hope we shake things up defensively. Sad to say our defense has just fallen off the tracks a majority of the season. I expect the offense to be subpar but the defense has been a total letdown.
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Well...we should know that Manning isn't very good starting at S. With Steltz, at least he could have been better. We also could have seen what we had in him to see how big of priority FS is going into the offseason.
Steltz did play a lot, and even started the game at FS, but it wasn't pretty.

And FS is a huge need. Our secondary getting torn apart isn't all on the DE's, we got crap safeties. I would say SS could be a need as well, but one step at a time. Payne might not be able to cover a lick, but at least he can tackle.
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Okay, I'd say primary needs are: FS, DE, NT, OG, and RT (in no order)

Secondary needs are: WR, SAM, FB

And additional areas needing work: Change of pace RB, DB Depth

Well, next year is gonna tell us a lot about the immediate future of this Bears team.
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i dont know why u think Payne is horrible at coverage. i mean he isnt great but he is at least average
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NT is not as big of a need as WR. No way in hell. Our run defense is fine.

And no quarterback? Unless Caleb Hanie is the next great thing I'd definately consider that over a fullback or another linebacker.
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i dont know why u think Payne is horrible at coverage. i mean he isnt great but he is at least average
He is pretty bad. But, for now, we have much bigger needs to fix.
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Steltz did play a lot, and even started the game at FS, but it wasn't pretty.

And FS is a huge need. Our secondary getting torn apart isn't all on the DE's, we got crap safeties. I would say SS could be a need as well, but one step at a time. Payne might not be able to cover a lick, but at least he can tackle.
A lot of it starts up front. A good pass rush will make mediocre db's look great. Our inability to generate a decent pass rush all season has exposed a lot of secondary players. Now I'm not saying all the blame comes from up front but if Shaub has forever and a day to pick apart the secondary its going to be a given. I'm on board for Everett Brown if he's avail. I just hope we can bring in a WR to aid this patchwork core we have sofar. Maybe let Orton spend the entire offseason throwing deep balls because its clear his accuracy beyond 15 yd's is downright pathetic.
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i dont think he is bad at all given the fact that ******* babich moves him into the box on 3 and 10 he cant cover anything downfield at the line. i really cant recall a lot of mistakes payne made
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NT is not as big of a need as WR. No way in hell. Our run defense is fine.

And no quarterback? Unless Caleb Hanie is the next great thing I'd definately consider that over a fullback or another linebacker.
FB is never a high round pick so I wouldnt sweat it too much bearsfan. You can get solid FB's in the later rnds generally. I'm hoping we package something to Seattle for Leonard Weaver. I know this may be a pipe dream but they literally have 4 FB's on their roster.
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I would be just fine with Payne as our SS, which is why I don't want Mike Brown back.

Smokey is obviously right though, we don't have a single FS on our roster.
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FB is never a high round pick so I wouldnt sweat it too much bearsfan. You can get solid FB's in the later rnds generally. I'm hoping we package something to Seattle for Leonard Weaver. I know this may be a pipe dream but they literally have 4 FB's on their roster.
I don't want to spend a draft pick on a fullback. Ever.
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I don't want to spend a draft pick on a fullback. Ever.
lol even a 5th? lol I was really hoping we used a late rounder last year on Owen Schmidt. Apparently Seattlle struck gold with him because they plan on having him their new starter over Weaver.
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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51 View Post
NT is not as big of a need as WR. No way in hell. Our run defense is fine.

And no quarterback? Unless Caleb Hanie is the next great thing I'd definately consider that over a fullback or another linebacker.
21 total TDs to 12 INTs and just a hair under 3000 yards is about the best QB season in Bears history other than Kramer's one MVPish year...all with a horrible OL, WR corps, and an ankle injury that had him hobbling around for over a month.

If we had a normal Bears defense with Orton's QB play, we'd be Super Bowl favorites.

A veteran backup like a Jeff Garcia would be fine.

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I don't want to spend a draft pick on a fullback. Ever.
By all means, let's just keep getting McKies when other teams are getting McClains and Hillises.

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