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Old 06-24-2009, 11:56 PM    (permalink
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LeBron > Stuckey/Gordon/Mullens combined.
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Anyways, we're gonna trade for Chris Bosh or Amare Stoudemire! Go Pistons!
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Shaq's not gonna help the perimeter D that got raped by the Magic. He'll help contain Dwight in what will surely be a media love fest of the "battle of the supermans".(supermen didn't sound right). But Cavs need to work on that, especially if Hedo stays.

oh and why haven't I read a Yi trade rumor? we want ******* psycho T because he plays tough and agressive yet we have Yi still? hypocritical shits
hate to play devil's advocate but the cavs lost by an average of 6.5 points to the magic. Dwight Howard averaged 25.83 in the series. Adding shaq would make a huge impact and could actually swing the series. I do agree they need more pieces to the puzzle though.
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And Yao Ming is out indefinitely according to Sportscenter.

Oof, thats not good, but it is early summer right now
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hate to play devil's advocate but the cavs lost by an average of 6.5 points to the magic. Dwight Howard averaged 25.83 in the series. Adding shaq would make a huge impact and could actually swing the series. I do agree they need more pieces to the puzzle though.
Consider the effect that a healthy Jameer Nelson will have on the Magic offense.
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It's a deal.

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Stuckey, Maxiell, Tayshaun, Kwame for Amare and Barbosa
... I'd honestly take that if I were the Suns.
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Unless the Cavs find a good wing player, this isnt going to make them better than the Magic. They need another scorer who is preferably on the taller side as well. It's not like Shaq can stay w/ Howard either. Last time he had to resort to flopping several times when they played. It doesn't help them much especially in transition where their defense failed against Orlando. And lets not forget Howard and a young Orlando team should be a year better where as Shaq will be 38. They're going to be very good, that's for sure but, I'd be more worried about a healthy Celtics team.

edit...as for matchup problems. They still cant guard both Lewis and Turkoglu, they had a hard enough time trying to stop one of them. Good for the Cavs but, it doesnt worry me at all.
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Ha. Shaq found about the trade through twitter.

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Unless the Cavs find a good wing player, this isnt going to make them better than the Magic. They need another scorer who is preferably on the taller side as well. It's not like Shaq can stay w/ Howard either. Last time he had to resort to flopping several times when they played. It doesn't help them much especially in transition where their defense failed against Orlando. And lets not forget Howard and a young Orlando team should be a year better where as Shaq will be 38. They're going to be very good, that's for sure but, I'd be more worried about a healthy Celtics team.

edit...as for matchup problems. They still cant guard both Lewis and Turkoglu, they had a hard enough time trying to stop one of them. Good for the Cavs but, it doesnt worry me at all.
Not in a matchup. I think we were already better. :)

But anyways, it's not like the series wasn't competitive last year. Adding a player like Shaq changes the game. Even if he is aging.
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Not in a matchup. I think we were already better. :)

But anyways, it's not like the series wasn't competitive last year. Adding a player like Shaq changes the game. Even if he is aging.
This alone wouldnt swing the series, though. You guys are going to need to find a wing player capable of filling it up and guarding either Hedo or Lewis. Shaq is an upgrade but, we cant overrate him. He's going to be 38 and he'll get just as much playing time as Z got. He's just as slow as Z, hence useless in the transition game. The Cavs cant run w/ the Magic and this alone wouldnt put an end to the onslaught of threes against poor perimeter defense and against a smaller backcourt and unathletic enough 4s. I wouldnt be surprised if you guys have the best record again but in a head to head matchup, still gotta go Orlando. The Cavs had a multitude of problems in that series and the perimeter defense was a major problem. Even when guarding Howard one on one.

Dont get me wrong, though. It's a great trade from my perspective, got him for nothing...it just wouldnt be enough.
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I don't think the Cavs are finished making moves, I'm sure they realize everything everyone in this thread has said after the trade, but you can only make one trade at a time. They can't get someone to guard Dwight, a perimeter scorer, plus some all in one deal, and I hardly think Shaq is the only addition they make.


I expect to hear some Jason Kidd rumors flying pretty soon also.
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I don't think the Cavs are finished making moves, I'm sure they realize everything everyone in this thread has said after the trade, but you can only make one trade at a time. They can't get someone to guard Dwight, a perimeter scorer, plus some all in one deal, and I hardly think Shaq is the only addition they make.


I expect to hear some Jason Kidd rumors flying pretty soon also.
yeah, they'll probably add a good power forward somewhere down the line, or so I heard.
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A bit surprised they chose Shaq over Tyson Chandler though. Hopefully Mark Cuban is listening, if the Hornets are intent on giving him up he's exactly what Dallas needs.
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They were said to be scared off by his contract and well, they could also use some help on the offensive end. W/ Shaq and Bron...that's like $35 million off the books next year...and now they're free of Wally's gross deal as well.
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Tis a good year for trades. I'm hoping Orlando will do something tomorrow. I really would like to move Redick for a pick and pick up another SG that way, perhaps or maybe a PG, preferably international but it doesnt matter that much.

As far as shooting guards go...

Jermaine Taylor
Wayne Ellington
Danny Green

All would be good fits as a backup/third SG for us.

Marcus Thorton or Dionte Christmas could work as well.

Hell, Jodie Meeks could do just about everything Redick did last year. The open looks would be there.

At PG...

Beaubois would be a good fit.

As would Llull.

and there is always a chance someone like Collison or Douglas could fall if Orlando could get that high in the 2nd.
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I'm wondering where all this activity was at the damn trade deadline.
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A bit surprised they chose Shaq over Tyson Chandler though. Hopefully Mark Cuban is listening, if the Hornets are intent on giving him up he's exactly what Dallas needs.
They care about the playoffs, not the regular season. Only one Center will get them where they want to be.
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Cavs should trade for Ray Allen. One more piece for the championship run next year, and one more expiring contract to help make room for their desperate bid to resign LeBron next summer.

Mo Williams - Ray Allen - LeBron James - Douchebag Varejao - Shaq is actually a fairly good all around bunch of starters.
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