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Old 08-13-2010, 05:16 PM    (permalink
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In honor of recent inductee and truly all-time great Scottie Pippen:





Everyone remembers the Bulls for the soaring dunks, Michael Jordan's tongue and his game winning shots. What people don't realize, but what Phil Jackson, MJ and Pippen would tell you is that their suffocating defense is the real reason they won those six titles. Their offense ranked near the bottom, if not last, in pace during their title runs. Jordan and Pippen were very efficient offensive players and they didn't need to run up and down the court to get theirs. Jordan is still the only player to have 200 steals and 100 blocks in the same season. Pippen was the NBA's best defender for their entire title run, capable of guarding Magic Johnson to Charles Barkley and everyone in between. Defense wins titles.

That's why LA, Boston, Detroit and San Antonio have won the titles and teams like Phoenix haven't.
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Old 08-14-2010, 01:11 AM    (permalink
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Everyone remembers the Bulls for the soaring dunks, Michael Jordan's tongue and his game winning shots. What people don't realize, but what Phil Jackson, MJ and Pippen would tell you is that their suffocating defense is the real reason they won those six titles. Their offense ranked near the bottom, if not last, in pace during their title runs. Jordan and Pippen were very efficient offensive players and they didn't need to run up and down the court to get theirs. Jordan is still the only player to have 200 steals and 100 blocks in the same season. Pippen was the NBA's best defender for their entire title run, capable of guarding Magic Johnson to Charles Barkley and everyone in between. Defense wins titles.

That's why LA, Boston, Detroit and San Antonio have won the titles and teams like Phoenix haven't.
I feel like a team like Phoenix could still win a title. Phoenix was plenty good enough to win, they just didn't win because of other extenuating circumstances, a lot of which could be attributed to bad luck. But, in order to win a title in a no defense fashion, you need a Steve Nash-esque player.
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Defense is 100% necessarily, just look at last year's team no where near as talented as the D'Antoni teams but we made it to the WC finals by playing team defense. If Kobe hits rim on that airball that Artest laid in we go back to PHX up 3-1 and most likely make the Finals
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Defense is 100% necessarily, just look at last year's team no where near as talented as the D'Antoni teams but we made it to the WC finals by playing team defense. If Kobe hits rim on that airball that Artest laid in we go back to PHX up 3-1 and most likely make the Finals
Yes, defense is definitely the easier route to go, but I think D'Antoni's squads were capable of winning.
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Defense is 100% necessarily, just look at last year's team no where near as talented as the D'Antoni teams but we made it to the WC finals by playing team defense. If Kobe hits rim on that airball that Artest laid in we go back to PHX up 3-1 and most likely make the Finals
I love how you always bring that up....


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To be fair, the Suns had some great defenders like Raja Bell and Shawn Marion. They weren't completely one dimensional in the D'Antoni era. They just couldn't hang with the San Antonio Spurs, who in hindsight had really good teams.
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To be fair, the Suns had some great defenders like Raja Bell and Shawn Marion. They weren't completely one dimensional in the D'Antoni era. They just couldn't hang with the San Antonio Spurs, who in hindsight had really good teams.

Uh, I don't think you need hindsight to know those Spurs teams were great. They had top notch coaching and always made smart moves in the offseason to surround Duncan, Parker and Manu with solid role players.

Now that 07 series between Suns-Spurs is another fine example of stellar officiating from the NBA.
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Those Spurs teams weren't appreciated is what I mean. They were boring and lacked star power, small market too.
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Man, **** the Spurs.
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Classic debate: all time better player, Kevin Garnett or Tim Duncan?
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Classic debate: all time better player, Kevin Garnett or Tim Duncan?
Duncan. He's about 20 spots higher in the all-time list too (7-9 vs. 20-30). The classic debate is Duncan/Shaq.
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how is that a debate? I hate the ****** but it's Tim Duncan.
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God I hate Duncan but I probably have to give it to him, the big fundamental is still a very smart player and I am pretty sure he had a 20 board game not too long ago.
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As a Wolves fan, it is Duncan hands down.
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Duncan easily over Garnett

Shaq easily over Duncan
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Care to explain what makes it so easy? I'm personally in the Shaq over Duncan crowd, but there are some valid arguments that Duncan can be ranked over Shaq:

-Greatest player ever at his position
-Longer period of playoff dominance
-Maybe the best post defender ever
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-Weaker supporting casts during championship years (basically carried team to 03 title olajuwon-style)
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Care to explain what makes it so easy? I'm personally in the Shaq over Duncan crowd, but there are some valid arguments that Duncan can be ranked over Shaq:

-Greatest player ever at his position
-Longer period of playoff dominance
-Maybe the best post defender ever
-7 1st team all-defense vs. Shaq's 0 1st team all-defense
-Weaker supporting casts during championship years (basically carried team to 03 title olajuwon-style)
I think it's the fact that when Shaq was still a force he was more dominant than Duncan. I know that's a horrible thing to say because it means I have to explain what dominance means, but I just get the feeling from having watched the two that Shaq was so much harder to stop, his whole team could be playing like **** but if Shaq was there he would give his team a great chance to beat anybody.
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Count me in for Shaq over Duncan.

Yes, Duncan is the best PF of all time, but look at his competition and look at Shaq's competition.
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I think Duncan too, but easily over Garnett? Huh?

Kevin Garnett

average - (best season)
19.8 - (24.2) PPG
1.6 - (2.2) BPG
1.3 - (1.5) SPG
4.2 - (5) APG
10.8 - (13.9) RPG
Titles - 1
MVP - 1
Defensive Player of the Year - 1
All-Defense - 8

Tim Duncan

average - (best season)
21.1 - (25.5) PPG
2.3 - (2.9) BPG
0.8 - (0.9) SPG
3.2 - (3.9) APG
11.6 - (12.9) RPG
Titles - 4
MVP - 2
Defensive Player of the Year - 0
All-Defense - 8

Overall Duncan has the edge career wise, but I would say Garnett was better at his very peak when he won the MVP.
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Yeah I don't know where all that easily business came from because it is probably just a preference..
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Care to explain what makes it so easy? I'm personally in the Shaq over Duncan crowd, but there are some valid arguments that Duncan can be ranked over Shaq:

-Greatest player ever at his position
-Longer period of playoff dominance
-Maybe the best post defender ever
-7 1st team all-defense vs. Shaq's 0 1st team all-defense
-Weaker supporting casts during championship years (basically carried team to 03 title olajuwon-style)
Duncan is the best at his position, but if he would just admit that he's a 5(which he is), then he doesn't even crack top 5. He's not better than Kareem, Wilt, Russell, Hakeem or Shaq.
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Duncan is the best at his position, but if he would just admit that he's a 5(which he is), then he doesn't even crack top 5. He's not better than Kareem, Wilt, Russell, Hakeem or Shaq.
Very good point.
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