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Old 03-04-2011, 02:16 PM    (permalink
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Oh good, this conversation again. I don't even really like the guy anymore but damn it's getting old.
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Comes with the territory, my good friend. Every Sports 'super'star gets fellated repeatedly and ceaselessly.
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Comes with the territory, my good friend. Every Sports 'super'star gets fellated repeatedly and ceaselessly.

It's just repetitive on here though, obviously people are going to talk about Lebron but bring something new come on. It's just post after post about how he's a *****, BBD calls him a coward a bunch of times, and a few guys come in here defending him using the same rationale over and over.
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Like I said, you're just making up story lines in your head. But that is sports these days, people like to believe they know what people are thinking and state it as if they have inside knowledge of the situation.

And how did he take the easy way out? He is a coward because he wanted leave his **** hole Cleveland team with a douche bag owner and play with his friends? Because he wanted to take less money, which is something we claim athletes NEVER do? Do people forget Kobe demanded a trade? I'm sure Kobe would have stayed with the Lakers all these years if they weren't constantly putting superb talent around him, too! Same with Jordan. The difference is the Cavs are ******* moronic and think Antawn Jamison and Mo Williams are somehow difference makers.

Are you really going to consider him a coward because he likes the Yankees, Cowboys, and Bulls? Do you know how many people like those teams because thats what was constantly shoved down their throats in the late 80's and throughout the 90's? I may not like it myself, but that doesn't mean I can't understand it too. When you're a kid and see you teams with legendary players winning it all it tends you leave an imprint on you.
You don't think going to Miami was the easy way out?

Do you honestly think that Jordan, or Kobe would ever do something like that? Ever?

What LeBron did was the exact opposite of what any ultra competitive person would do. The greats want to beat everyone else, they don't want to join them.

This would be equivalent to Ewing and Jordan pairing up instead of going at each other in the 90s. It's a cowardly move.

Do you think it wasn't cowardly to quit on your team in game 5 like he did last year? Or to take a blatant shot at Cleveland while they were on their historic losing streak, then deny you were talking about Cleveland the next day?

The guy is filled with bitchassness. His true colors came out this year when he couldn't hide behind this manufactured aura that we've been sold by the media for all these years.
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It's just repetitive on here though, obviously people are going to talk about Lebron but bring something new come on. It's just post after post about how he's a *****, BBD calls him a coward a bunch of times, and a few guys come in here defending him using the same rationale over and over.
True, true.

Just to shake things up a bit here, how's Love's passing ability?
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If being "mentally weak" "unclutch" "*****" "coward" is having the #2 all-time PER, he's a cowardly weak ***** coward.

Playoff averages of 29.3/8.4/7.3 says hai.

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Are the Kings really going to fair that much better in Anaheim? They'll be so close to the Lakers/Clippers. I have my doubts. It's a large market...but it obviously remains to be seen how much fan interest they can garner.
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You don't think going to Miami was the easy way out?
*Looks at NBA standings*

Cleveland 11-49 33.5 GB

No, I'm going to say that getting out of Cleveland was a ******* genius idea and Miami was the team best suited for him. You can't say there's an "easy way out" when you have to go through the Lakers, Spurs, Celtics, Magic, Bulls and a couple of others to get to the title. It's not like they automatically won the title just because he signed there.
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Like I said, you're just making up story lines in your head. But that is sports these days, people like to believe they know what people are thinking and state it as if they have inside knowledge of the situation.

And how did he take the easy way out? He is a coward because he wanted leave his **** hole Cleveland team with a douche bag owner and play with his friends? Because he wanted to take less money, which is something we claim athletes NEVER do? Do people forget Kobe demanded a trade? I'm sure Kobe would have stayed with the Lakers all these years if they weren't constantly putting superb talent around him, too! Same with Jordan. The difference is the Cavs are ******* moronic and think Antawn Jamison and Mo Williams are somehow difference makers.

Are you really going to consider him a coward because he likes the Yankees, Cowboys, and Bulls? Do you know how many people like those teams because thats what was constantly shoved down their throats in the late 80's and throughout the 90's? I may not like it myself, but that doesn't mean I can't understand it too. When you're a kid and see you teams with legendary players winning it all it tends you leave an imprint on you.
Everyone uses this a lot when defending Lebron but there's a big difference from Lebron wanting out and kobe wanting out.

Both teams sucked without their superstar - granted.

But the cavs team with lebron (keep in mind im not arguing who the better player is, but the kind of person he is) went to the conference semifinals.

If Kobe went to the conference semifinals I highly doubt he would give up and leave.
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Everyone uses this a lot when defending Lebron but there's a big difference from Lebron wanting out and kobe wanting out.

Both teams sucked without their superstar - granted.

But the cavs team with lebron (keep in mind im not arguing who the better player is, but the kind of person he is) went to the conference semifinals.

If Kobe went to the conference semifinals I highly doubt he would give up and leave.
And yet when LeBron left, the Cavs quickly plummeted to the bottom of the NBA standings and will have the best chance of winning the lottery. The Cavs are awful and were awful when LeBron was there. LeBron just saved that piece of donkey **** team.
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If being "mentally weak" "unclutch" "*****" "coward" is having the #2 all-time PER, he's a cowardly weak ***** coward.

Playoff averages of 29.3/8.4/7.3 says hai.

LeBron James Playoff Records:

First Round: 20-7, Five Series Won, Zero Lost.
Semifinals: 16-14, Two Series Won, Three Lost.
Conference: 6-6, One Series Won, One Series Lost.
NBA Finals: 0-4, One Series Lost.

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LeBron James Playoff Records:

First Round: 20-7, Five Series Won, Zero Lost.
Semifinals: 16-14, Two Series Won, Three Lost.
Conference: 6-6, One Series Won, One Series Lost.
NBA Finals: 0-4, One Series Lost.

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Jesus, look at his supporting cast on those teams. It's miraculous that they won any of those series.
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LeBron James Playoff Records:

First Round: 20-7, Five Series Won, Zero Lost.
Semifinals: 16-14, Two Series Won, Three Lost.
Conference: 6-6, One Series Won, One Series Lost.
NBA Finals: 0-4, One Series Lost.

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When did the Cavaliers change their names to the Cleveland James?
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To make it to the conference semifinals, the Cavs had to beat the Bulls and did so in five games. James' line?

Game 1- 24 points, 6 rebounds, 5 assists, 4 blocks, 1 steal
Game 2- 40 points, 8 rebounds, 8 assists, 2 blocks, 1 steal
Game 3- 39 points, 10 rebounds, 8 assists, 3 blocks, 2 steals
Game 4- 37 points, 12 rebounds, 11 assists, 1 block, 2 steals
Game 5- 19 points, 10 rebounds, 9 assists, 2 blocks, 0 steals

For a five-game average of 31.8 ppg, 9.2 rebounds, 8.2 assists, 2.4 blocks, 1.2 steals per game. That's a pretty ******* incredible series. Without him, the Cavs would have lost by 30 in every game.

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When they drafted him.

Pinning team losses on James when he's putting up insane numbers and playing bums off the street is a tad ridiculous, but hey, let's not let facts get in the way of a good time.
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Me-"Presents dominant numbers that one or two players in history have topped."

You-"BUT HIS TEAM LOST!"


What else could be done? James could realistically play 44 minutes if needed. That leaves 196 minutes to be played by others. He dominated-his team failed him.
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Intriguing. So what were his statlines in the next series?
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What else could be done? James could realistically play 44 minutes if needed. That leaves 196 minutes to be played by others. He dominated-his team failed him.
Point.

And if his team is better now than it ever was in the preceding years, then that excuse is about to become invalid once the playoffs approach.
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Yeah, looking back at those rosters you just can't blame Lebron for those playoff losses. Basically the same roster is ******* 11-48 this year. If we loses this year let the hate begin though, I don't care what kind of flaws the Heat have you have 2 top five players and as much as I hate Bosh he's probably top 25.
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Bosh is better than top 25.
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Meh. I absolutely hate him. Bad defender, not a great rebounder, literally the softest big man in the league, does almost nothing but take open 15 footers.....ugh I hate him so much. That was just an guess though, if I had to put 24 guys above him I don't know if I could do it but the list would definitely be longer than yours.

oh what the hell I'll give it a shot.

In no order off the top of my head

1. Lebron
2. Kobe
3. Durant
4. CP3
5. Deron
6. Westbrook
7. Rondo
8. Rose
9. Wade
10. Gasol
11. Dirk
12. Pierce
13. KG
14. Amare
15. Carmelo
16. Aldridge
17. Love (Deal with it)
18. Howard

I'd also take guys like Odom and Ginobili over him too but I'm probably in the minority there.

So 19th and I'm probably forgetting people.

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Point.

And if his team is better now than it ever was in the preceding years, then that excuse is about to become invalid once the playoffs approach.
Incorrect. The Heat have a flawed roster. A roster that when compared to the historical "championship rosters" isn't built to compete deep. His decision to join this roster and allow his ego to convince him that they could win without an inside game is his fault. What happens as a team, on the court, is mostly out of his control.
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Meh. I absolutely hate him. Bad defender, not a great rebounder, literally the softest big man in the league, does almost nothing but take open 15 footers.....ugh I hate him so much.
He isn't a bad defender. It's kinda tough to judge Bosh off this year just because he is playing with two of the best players in the league who both need the ball in their hands(like he does)
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Incorrect. The Heat have a flawed roster. A roster that when compared to the historical "championship rosters" isn't built to compete deep. His decision to join this roster and allow his ego to convince him that they could win without an inside game is his fault. What happens as a team, on the court, is mostly out of his control.
In other words, it's gone all the way back to 'His Fault' because he chose this fate but the 'Insufficient Supporting Cast' excuse is still viable?
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I've watched plenty of Heat basketball this year and I've seen way too much of him just flat out getting pushed around inside to call him anything other than a bad defender. I don't understand the "improved defender" label he's miraculously gotten.
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In other words, it's gone all the way back to 'His Fault' because he chose this fate but the 'Insufficient Supporting Cast' excuse is still viable?
It comes down to, "is it reasonable to heap so much praise or criticism on a player that can only play 48 minutes of 240 total minutes?"
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