NBA Discussion Thread - Page 2183

diabsoule · 03-17-2011, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by SeanTaylorRIP

It's a shame they took Aldrich, and traded 2 first rounders for him mind you not. The next guys drafted after him Ed Davis, Larry Sanders, Kevin Seraphin, Eric Bledsoe, all better players.

I don't understand why they didn't draft a player whose named after one of the best shows in television

Sportsfan486 · 03-17-2011, 04:40 AM

Not to jump on the bandwagon, but does anyone else think Perkins might be the guy to push Thunder from the very good to elite team status? Durant-Westbrook is one of the better 1-2s in the league, especially in pure scoring and creating, and they have a bunch of guys that can score a bit, now a ton of guys who can rebound, and finally a presence defensively in the paint. Perkins was always the quiet part of the Celtics but you could always tell that he really combined with KG to be the defensive anchors of that team.

Granted, I don't think Ibaka, Sefolosha, Perkins is as good as a lot of 3-5s out there (yet) but I like the lineup a lot more with Green and Krstic out. This was also a team that played LA hard last year in the playoffs and clearly is better this year while that's hard to say about the Lakers. I also think in a Thunder vs Spurs matchup it's a toss-up based on which explosive tandem shows up more.

If only Westbrook wasn't a turnover dishing machine this team would be outstanding.

fenikz · 03-17-2011, 04:49 AM

can we finally start showing James Tiberius Harden some love?

averaging 17 3 3 & 1.5 spg since the all-star break, and really doesn't skip a beat defensively in Thabo's place

soybean · 03-17-2011, 05:26 AM

Anaheim Royals.

link

fenikz · 03-17-2011, 06:12 AM

as long as they bring these back

Shiver · 03-17-2011, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by yo123

Ok well that's more reasonable, but the 5th seed is not 30 wins.

I was thinking wins in relationship to now, not end of the season.

Shiver · 03-17-2011, 10:03 AM

Also, what happened to Mike Miller? Why did the Heat pay him 30$ million dollars again?

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf) · 03-17-2011, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Shiver

Also, what happened to Mike Miller? Why did the Heat pay him 30$ million dollars again?

Damn, they really needed to give him $5M per? Especially for 5 years? I'm surprised they couldn't get either him or a similar veteran for way cheaper. Heat, you're doinitwrong. Teams like those are supposed to be able to underpay for players looking for a ring.

Shiver · 03-17-2011, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)

Damn, they really needed to give him $5M per? Especially for 5 years? I'm surprised they couldn't get either him or a similar veteran for way cheaper. Heat, you're doinitwrong. Teams like those are supposed to be able to underpay for players looking for a ring.

Not to mention they could have just kept Dorrell Wright or Daquan Cook.

SeanTaylorRIP · 03-17-2011, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Shiver

Also, what happened to Mike Miller? Why did the Heat pay him 30$ million dollars again?

It's because the Heat thought Mike Miller would be a great spot up shooter. He hasn't been a good scorer in 5 years. Just look at a few years ago he was on a horrendous T'wolves team getting 33 minutes a game and was only averaging 9 points a game. The fact is that Miller's best attributes is his ballhandling and passing, problem with the Heat is that Dwade and LeBron already have that covered and even when Miller makes good passes Wade and Bron aren't spot up shooters who can capitalize. That's why I thought Miller really should have gone to LA where Fisher, Blake, Kobe, etc, actually can play off ball and shoot off passes. Miller is a solid defender and rebounder, but because he is utterly useless offensively in Miami he is a huge waste of money.

yourfavestoner · 03-17-2011, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Shiver

Dwyane Wade is very frustrating to watch. He can be so dynamic, but he relies too much on the refs whistle. Slamming into Ibaka/Perkins/Collison and trying to get calls while throwing up circus shots wasn't going to get it done. .. oh and the horrible jump passes he's fallen in love with. And his 3-point heat checks when he is an awful 3-pt shooter.

That being said, he is good for six spectacular plays per game and 25-5-5-2-2 on good nights so obviously his flaws are not large in the big picture.

Imagine being a Kobe fan over the past fifteen or so years.

*Kobe trapped in a double team, nowhere to go*

Me: "Don't do it don't do it don't do it, please don't do it NO DO NOT TAKE THAT ******* SHOT YOU IDIOT"

*swish*

Me: "Okay, nevermind. Do whatever you want."

Shiver · 03-17-2011, 11:52 AM

I think Kyle Korver would have been better on the Heat and Mike Miller better on the Bulls, personally.

iowatreat54 · 03-17-2011, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Shiver

I think Kyle Korver would have been better on the Heat and Mike Miller better on the Bulls, personally.

So that we could go from 1 three point shooter to none?

(do everything Keith Bogans excluded for obvious reasons)

scottyboy · 03-17-2011, 12:22 PM

Rose vs Dwill tonight. that's a lot of sex at one position for one game...

SickwithIt1010 · 03-17-2011, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by soybean

Anaheim Royals.

link

Also, being in the northwest right now....ton of talks about New Orleans coming to Seattle and the Sonics coming back into the league. They have already put down the designs for the new stadium, just a matter of finding the location. Ill look for a link.

Jvig43 · 03-17-2011, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by yourfavestoner

Imagine being a Kobe fan over the past fifteen or so years.

*Kobe trapped in a double team, nowhere to go*

Me: "Don't do it don't do it don't do it, please don't do it NO DO NOT TAKE THAT ******* SHOT YOU IDIOT"

*swish*

Me: "Okay, nevermind. Do whatever you want."

Imagine not being a Kobe fan.

*Kobe trapped in a double team, nowhere to go*

Me: Nice defense good, let him try to take tha-

*swish*

**** that ****, how the **** does he do that ****?

bored of education · 03-17-2011, 08:39 PM

dont recall posting in this thread last night #celebratingstpaddiesdayearly

soybean · 03-17-2011, 09:52 PM

Who the hell is Alonzo Gee and Samardo Samuels?

Hurricanes25 · 03-17-2011, 09:56 PM

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Who the hell is Alonzo Gee and Samardo Samuels?

Gee is a second year guy from Alabama and Samuels is a rookie from Louisville.

soybean · 03-17-2011, 09:59 PM

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Gee is a second year guy from Alabama and Samuels is a rookie from Louisville.

It was a rhetorical questions meaning... why are they on an NBA starting roster?

Hurricanes25 · 03-17-2011, 10:01 PM

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It was a rhetorical questions meaning... why are they on an NBA starting roster?

Oh haha. But yeah, your guess is as good as mine. And the Cavs suck...

iowatreat54 · 03-17-2011, 10:38 PM

Sorry scotty...

Omer Asik > Bropez

scottyboy · 03-18-2011, 09:21 AM

NO! bropez played really well.
and DWill needs to get the wrist surgery. like now. he's just not shooting well at all and I gotta think it's the wrist bugging him big time

fenikz · 03-18-2011, 05:09 PM

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/show...04#post2558104

Join now!

Shiver · 03-18-2011, 07:10 PM

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoopmiam...-roll-sighting

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he seven Wade-James pick-and-rolls generated 13 points on seven trips downcourt -- good for 185.7 points per 100 possessions.

And they were exquisitely executed. In fact, two of the possessions yielded buckets for guys other than Wade or James. On the first, the Trail Blazers converged on Wade as he turned the corner and glided into the paint, so Wade kicked the ball out to Chris Bosh, who was spotted up to the left. Two points.

A few minutes before halftime, Wade split Wes Matthews and Gerald Wallace, and delivered another kickout -- this time to Chalmers, whom Andre Miller left to help out on the Wade-James action. Three points.

Some of these sets against Portland didn't come out of the Heat's elbow action with James playing the 4, but were garden-variety top-of-the-floor numbers. A couple of others looked identical to the three left-side actions against the Bulls.

But on two possessions in the first half, the Heat went small -- and LeBron James rolled to the hoop for four of his easiest half-court points of the season. The first set was Chicago redux: Wade turned down the screen to drive baseline. Wallace shaded LeBron as he sank low to ensure Wade didn't get to the rim, so Wade shuttled the ball over to LeBron.

Ball-fake, dribble, layup.

The next LeBron James roll occurred after he pasted Matthews on the screen. With Matthews on the wrong side of LeBron after the switch, all it took was a simple bounce pass into the lane from Wade. LeBron didn't even need a dribble -- he simply collected the ball and laid it in, as Marcus Camby couldn't contest quickly enough.

Two nights later, the Heat shook the monkey off their back against the Lakers. Remember the decisive possession? A high screen from James for Wade.

Against the Spurs, one of the Heat's best-looking sets came in an ATO, or after-timeout situation (see the 1:19 mark). Wade drew Richard Jefferson on the switch, pump-faked, got Jefferson in the air, drained the shot, and-one.

All in all, the Heat have run 14 James-Wade pick-and-rolls in their past six games. They've recorded baskets on 11 of those 14 possessions for a total of 25 points. (I'm counting the Wade miss and immediate putback because his capacity to collect his own shot was a direct result of the pick-and-roll.) That's a 78.6 percent success rate and 178.6 points per 100 possessions.

It's absurd to believe the Heat would score upward of 150 points if they ran a Wade-James pick-and-roll several dozen times per game, but why does it seem more likely you'll see a porpoise swimming alongside a jet ski in Biscayne Bay than the Heat run an action that has devastating implications for the defense? Since that pivotal drive in the Lakers game, the Heat have run exactly two James ball screens for Wade in two games -- zero in a loss against the Thunder.

Why are the Heat not utilizing this? Back in August we all drooled at the theoretical dominance of such a set play, yet for whatever reason they didn't think it was a good idea until March, and then they don't use at all against the Thunder when they were ice cold from range...

maybe it is part of their diabolical plan to hide their best plays until the playoffs?