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Old 12-19-2011, 04:30 PM    (permalink
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I can't tell if you're being serious, but a contraction wouldn't just mean all those players get merged onto one team. There would be a reallocation draft and they'd get split up around the league.
I know. I was just show how combing those four teams together probably wouldn't get a #1 seed in either conference
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Here's the Sporting News All-Time NBA team: http://aol.sportingnews.com/125/spor.../magic-johnson

For those not into the whole link-clicking thing, here's what it is:

PG: Magic Johnson
SG: Michael Jordan
SF: Larry Bird
PF: Bob Petitt
C: Bill Russell
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Bob Petitt......

Tim Duncan is the best PF of all time.
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Bob Pettit? Seriously?
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I have never heard of Bob Petitt.
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Yeah, that's the most surprising name on that list.

I'm not sure I would put Russell over Kareem or Wilt, but that one is close.

The other 3 are no brainer imo.
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Yeah, that's the most surprising name on that list.

I'm not sure I would put Russell over Kareem or Wilt, but that one is close.

The other 3 are no brainer imo.
Russell absolutely should be in over Wilt. I will give you the Kareem argument, though.
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Wilt Chamberlain was the Lebron of his day. Huge stats and came up small when it mattered. Also he was ridiculously self absorbed and selfish.

Russell all day every day.
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I don't know. Russell was AWESOME defensively, no doubt. But 15 ppg?

Shouldn't the best Center of all time be a bit more offensively gifted then that?
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Russell was only really needed to be there for his defense, rebounds, and blocks. 15ppg were lagniappe for those Celtics teams. He was a beast in his day.

And as an LSU fan I respect the Petitt pick, he has his number retired at LSU, but I'd take Duncan, Karl Malone, Kevin Garnett, or even Dirk ahead of him.
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I'd take Kareem, Hakeem, Shaq, and probably Wilt over Russell. Too many people listen to Bill Simmons (*cough* YO *cough*) when it comes to the Russell > Wilt crap.

Pettit is a terrible pick all around. Duncan, Dirk, KG, Malone, Barkley, Elvin Hayes, and probably Kevin McHale are better picks.
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I'd take Kareem, Hakeem, Shaq, and probably Wilt over Russell. Too many people listen to Bill Simmons (*cough* YO *cough*) when it comes to the Russell > Wilt crap.
I could give a damn what Bill Simmons thinks. Basketball is just one of the sports where you can differentiate between individual players based on how their teams do, and Russell destroyed Wilt in that department throughout their careers. And the talent discrepancy between their teams wasn't as big as people think.

To be honest though we weren't born until 20 years after they retired so our opinions are pretty flawed.

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^^^^^ This

My dad watched all the greats play and still thinks that Russell is the best center of all time.

And Petitt pretty much defined the power forward position when he was playing. Everyone I've ever talked to about him always says how dominant he was during his time.
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I can't believe Bill Simmons' opinion matters. Of course he thinks Russell is better than Wilt, think who Russell played for.
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So no one here thinks this is legit? I'm asking sincerely because I don't live in LA.

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Los Angeles radio host John Ireland said on the air Monday that a reliable source of his says the Nets will execute a trade for Dwight Howard on Tuesday.
Ireland points out that his source correctly reported the LeBron James and Chris Bosh to Miami deal last year, and for what it's worth Ireland is well-connected within the Lakers scene and thus is within arm's distance of the trade action. This could mean that Brook Lopez is heading out, but then again we'll need to see where all of this goes.
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I'm not sure i'm interested in knowing what a Lakers source claims he knows about the Nets organization, lol.
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Also he didnt break the Miami story so idk why he is taking credit for it now.
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You know, I think brook's gonna have a damn good year this season.

and I was coming to post this before I even read that rumor. Obviously not worth Dwight, but he's going to turn some heads this year I believe
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Bropez and five 1sts isn't good enough for Dwight.

I wonder what they can put together.
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if we deal Marshon, Morrow or James I'm gonna be pissed.

Since those are literally the only wing players we have.

this team is depressing how bad it is outside of DWill, Bropez and Morrow
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Since those are literally the only wing players we have.

this team is depressing how bad it is outside of DWill, Bropez and Morrow
Just trade everything but Deron for Dwight and don't worry about it. It still probably won't be enough, but Nets should fold and give whatever the Magic want.
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No way do I agree with the all-time team. However, there are two ways of choosing a team like this.

1) Lifetime Respect Team

PG: Magic Johnson
SG: Michael Jordan
SF: Larry Bird
PF: Karl Malone
C: Kareem

2: The team that I would actually assemble to beat ass(heavily 80s/90s influenced)
PG: Magic
SG: Jordan
SF: Bird- I really want to remove him, but he's too good of a shooter
PF: Duncan
C: Olajuwon

Bench: Pippen, Stockton, Rodman, Malone, Shaq, Kobe

I would love to get Oscar Robertson in there but I just haven't watch enough ESPN Classic.
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No way do I agree with the all-time team. However, there are two ways of choosing a team like this.

1) Lifetime Respect Team

PG: Magic Johnson
SG: Michael Jordan
SF: Larry Bird
PF: Karl Malone
C: Kareem

2: The team that I would actually assemble to beat ass(heavily 80s/90s influenced)
PG: Magic
SG: Jordan
SF: Bird- I really want to remove him, but he's too good of a shooter
PF: Duncan
C: Olajuwon

Bench: Pippen, Stockton, Rodman, Malone, Shaq, Kobe

I would love to get Oscar Robertson in there but I just haven't watch enough ESPN Classic.
Duncan belongs on both teams.
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Russell was only really needed to be there for his defense, rebounds, and blocks. 15ppg were lagniappe for those Celtics teams. He was a beast in his day.
I'm sorry but you just made a case against Russell with this statement.

The best Center of all time has to be more then just a great defender, even if he was awesome at it.

Yes, the ring argument is a strong one, but you said it yourself, those Celtics teams were loaded.

Would they win all those rings with Russell as the main offensive focal point. Not with a career .440 FG%, which is actually mediocre for a guard let alone a Center.

Don't get me wrong, Bill was one of the best to play the game despite those stats, but I do not think he was the best.

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