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Old 04-25-2012, 05:49 PM    (permalink
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Yeah, but Kobe was a cold blooded killer at 18. Jordan was too. That aspect of your personality can't be taught. You either have it or you don't.
That's why Jordan couldn't get past the Pistons until his late 20s?
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chris paul got a minor groin sprain the last game. They have nothing to play for since they would play memphis in the first round regardless if they were the four and five.
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Also, I hope Kobe takes the scoring title. durant was awarded 16 free throws yesterday -_-

I don't get the whole "durant deserves it arguement"
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That's why Jordan couldn't get past the Pistons until his late 20s?
Bc he had a better team in his late 20s?

The desire and competitive demeanor was the same at 18 as it was at 26. You can't teach a person's personality.

If Durant is a guy who's ok with letting a teammate take the final shot, then he's going to be ok with it when he's 30 as well. That's a personality trait.
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Also, I hope Kobe takes the scoring title. durant was awarded 16 free throws yesterday -_-

I don't get the whole "durant deserves it arguement"
You didn't know? He deserves it more bc ppl like him more.
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Bc he had a better team in his late 20s?

The desire and competitive demeanor was the same at 18 as it was at 26. You can't teach a person's personality.

If Durant is a guy who's ok with letting a teammate take the final shot, then he's going to be ok with it when he's 30 as well. That's a personality trait.
See I disagree on that immensely, KD puts up with Russell's foolishness because he's still a kid yet to realize the opportunities his buddy is costing him.
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See I disagree on that immensely, KD puts up with Russell's foolishness because he's still a kid yet to realize the opportunities his buddy is costing him.
Which goes back to my assertion that he doesn't have the same competitive fire that Jordan and Kobe had.

I'm not saying he's a bad player at all. Durant is a stud. Top 3 player in the league.

But I don't ever see him taking the crown as that next guy. Kobe deserved to be considered the guy after Jordan. Durant isn't going to be the guy after Kobe. He doesn't have it. He'll be a great player, a HOF player, but he's not going to be that next guy.
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Kobe wasn't "the guy" until Shaq left and Durant is better in crunch time than Kobe ever was
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But Kobe always wanted to be the guy. It's the desire, that's what I'm talking about. That competitive fire that only so few people on this planet have. Kobe always had it. Jordan always had it.

Durant doesn't have THAT kind of fire in him. And that will hold him back from ever becoming a Kobe or Jordan.

I get it, we all love Durant, and we all want him to be the next face of the NBA bc he's so likeable (and bc LeBron ruined his chance of becoming that person). But you know what? Who cares! Jordan wasn't the most likeable guy, Kobe surely wasn't, most GOATs aren't. In any sport.
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As was displayed in their last match up.
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Yeah, I don't buy the Durant is more clutch than Kobe arguments. Wake me up when Durant hits multiple clutch shots in the playoffs like Kobe did.

Wake me up when Durant takes over a playoff game with 5 minutes left and says "F it, I'm carrying this team on my back and winning this game by myself" like Kobe has done so many times.

Don't throw statistics at me about how Kobe only hit like 30% of his game winning shots when down by 2 or whatever. I could care less when he misses it during the 10th game of the season.
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Kobe is clearly more clutch then Durant and it isn't even close. I'm a massive Durant homer btw. But you basically write him off like his career is absolute garbage. This is a guy who is a year older than me who has his team in great position for a second year in a row to contest for an NBA title. For you to say he can't be "the next guy" is priceless. He already is along with LeBron. It sure as hell isn't your boy Melo or Amare or Lin.
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Stats say differently but keep your opinions
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Kobe is clearly more clutch then Durant and it isn't even close. I'm a massive Durant homer btw. But you basically write him off like his career is absolute garbage. This is a guy who is a year older than me who has his team in great position for a second year in a row to contest for an NBA title. For you to say he can't be "the next guy" is priceless. He already is along with LeBron. It sure as hell isn't your boy Melo or Amare or Lin.
My only gripe with Durant is that he's a little too passive at times. If things keep going the same way I would say Rose would surpass him.

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Yes lets compare the stats of a 16yr HoF career with a 5yr career.
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I for one am also big into the stats as well fenikz but they don't necessarily tell you everything. Stats tell us that Bron is closer to Jordan then Kobe but we all know better.
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My only gripe with Durant is that he's a little too passive at times. If things keep going the same way I would say Rose would surpass him.
I wouldn't mind that since I'm a Bulls fan lol. But I just really want them both to get a couple rings each.
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Eh, Durant's hit enough game winners for me not to doubt his clutchness. My issue with him is his strength, Dallas was able to push him out of his comfort zone in the playoffs last year and that threw him off his game, until he's able to muscle his way to where he likes to be he won't be as great in the playoffs as he could be. That's why he isn't able to dominate the playoffs the way he can in the regular season.
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Durant needs a post game. But I'm not sure if he'll ever develop it.

I'm not calling Durant garbage btw. I said he's a top 3 player in the league. I just don't think he's the next Kobe.
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Durant needs a post game. But I'm not sure if he'll ever develop it.

I'm not calling Durant garbage btw. I said he's a top 3 player in the league. I just don't think he's the next Kobe.
He needs to copy Dirk's high post game. He's got that same length to have an unstoppable turnaround.
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He needs to copy Dirk's high post game. He's got that same length to have an unstoppable turnaround.
He's gotta bulk up too (yeah I know I'm beating a dead horse with that one).

What makes Dirks turnaround so dangerous is not only his length, but he's able to create some space for himself by leaning his shoulder into you, then pushing off his back foot and releasing. Durant can't do that bc he's built like a 12 year old. That shoulder won't create much separation.
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Btw, Melo is a better scorer than Durant.

He has a better overall offensive game.

Durant is the better overall player. Melo is the better scorer.
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Stats say differently but keep your opinions
Yes! play the stats card. We all just saw Kobe take that game over the other night against the Thunder, obviously you werent watching. Stats dont measure clutch...they never will.
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I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.
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Btw, Melo is a better scorer than Durant.

He has a better overall offensive game.

Durant is the better overall player. Melo is the better scorer.
I have always thought Melo and Kobe were prolly the best 1 on 1 scorers in the game. While there are most definitely players in the game right now that have a better all around skill set and are better players overall, when it comes to scoring and only that...they are in a class by themselves.
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Also durant > kobe that is all.

Also I can't wait till the Bulls bring the broom out for the knicks.
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