NBA Discussion Thread - Page 2765

sbh15 · 06-20-2012, 07:39 PM

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Really pissed the C's didn't jump on that Hornets trade. They have the cap room and Okafor/Ariza are players they could use.

For Washington, it's a great trade. They just need to get a couple guys that can score, but they got two guys that they can use and two top ten picks. It doesn't hurt them much at all cap-wise. They actually freed up some space for this year and can probably flip one or both players at the deadline if they need to.

New Orleans didn't give up the 10th pick. It was Okafor+Ariza for Shard (expiring) and the 46th

nepg · 06-20-2012, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by sbh15

New Orleans didn't give up the 10th pick. It was Okafor+Ariza for Shard (expiring) and the 46th

Wow. I just assumed it did. That's a bad-ish trade for Washington, then. They can still flip both of those guys if they're healthy at the deadline, though.

SeanTaylorRIP · 06-20-2012, 08:06 PM

It's a good move for Washington, they were going to amnesty Blatche anyways. They get two decent players and no big free agent was signing in Washington anyways so might as well get some veterans who play defense.

Docta · 06-20-2012, 08:16 PM

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I agree - they need to match Miami's small lineup. something that, in the first three games, they completely neglected. they finally adjusted last night, only to see James Harden completely **** the bed with Sefolosha on the bench.

Harden playing poorly is on Brooks. Why isn't Thabo guarding LBJ? What else is Thabo good for?

wogitalia · 06-20-2012, 08:45 PM

Like that move for Washington, would obviously have been much better to get pick 10, but lets be honest here, no FA was going to sign for them that was worth a max contract anyway, they'd just be overpaying longer term for a player on that Okafor level.

Instead they get a couple of short term rentals that should make them a considerably better team this year and give them some decent locker room leadership. Not going to win a championship but they can be competitive and learn a lot.

SeanTaylorRIP · 06-20-2012, 08:52 PM

PG: John Wall/Shelvin Mack
SG: Brad Beal/Jordan Crawford
SF: Trevor Ariza/Chris Singleton
PF: Nene/Trevor Booker/Jan Vesely/Andray Blatche
C: Emeka Okafor/Kevin Seraphin

It's a solid lineup especially defensively. They NEED to get Beal though if not you have to consider Waiters, Lamb, and even Rivers at #3 because they need scoring bad. If Beal goes #2 look for the Wizards to move down.

fenikz · 06-20-2012, 09:11 PM

no worse than the Suns without Nash

D-Unit · 06-20-2012, 09:18 PM

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WHAT?!?! This is such a bad trade for Washington, it's laughable. They're giving up 20 million in cap relief for 20 million in terrible contracts. and they didn't even get the 10th pick out of it! this was an absolute coup for NO. they just got enough cap room to build a great core around Davis, Gordon, and the 10th.

Also, the reason Miami is killing OKC at the hoop is because Miami is playing a lineup with a PG, SG, 2 SF's, and an athletic PF. It completely spreads out OKC's defense and takes any defensive presence out of the lane. You can keep Ibaka or Perkins in the lane, but then you're leaving Bosh to hit a mid-range jumper or Chalmers/Battier open for a 3. The same thing cripples Miami defensively, to some degree.

Ariza and Okafor are bad contracts for NOR because they are trying to start over. Doesn't mean they are bad contracts for WAS. The moment Washington traded for Nene, their priorities changed from a slow developing/rebuilding effort, to more of a win now mode. So the contracts aren't bad for Washington because the return will get them exactly what they want. Now they can draft Beal. A line up of Wall - Beal - Ariza - Okafor - Nene is going to go places in 2012-13 and beyond.

So saying they have terrible contracts is coming from a flawed point of view. The trade also worked out for NOR. So it was a win-win trade.

When the Heat have been forced to shoot jumpers, they have struggled. That's not a mystery. That's why Boston had so much success against them. When they used Rondo to defend Lebron, they were able to use his quickness to keep a defender in front of Lebron. It gave them a guy Lebron couldn't easily blow past, and if he did, they had good help defense. Plus it made it more attractive for Lebron to resort to taking a jump shot over the shorter defender. Ultimately Boston failed because between KG and Bass, they didn't have any means of defending the key consistently against Wade and Lebron and Pierce's feet are too slow to defend anything these days. Nene and Okafor make a much tougher interior post presence... with Ariza too, that's a challenge for any team.

I'm not saying Washington can now defeat the Heat. C'mon now... but they've got a helluva better chance now than they did before. Miami can try to use their bigs to draw out defenders in the post, WAS doesn't have to play man. They can play zone. Okafor is capable of stepping out to defend a Bosh midrange jumper while leaving Nene to protect the lane. OKC doesn't have that in Perkins, and Durant is not the perimeter defender that Ariza is.

Add to the fact that both Miami and OKC have zero ability to have consistent scoring in the post, it's a major advantage for Washington to have that. Between Ariza and Beal's shooting, driving and Wall's potential to be a superstar, the outlook is tantalizing.

I don't know what you're smoking to think that Washington came out a loser in this. The only real worry for them is health which applies to every team.

nobodyinparticular · 06-20-2012, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SeanTaylorRIP

PG: John Wall/Shelvin Mack
SG: Brad Beal/Jordan Crawford
SF: Trevor Ariza/Chris Singleton
PF: Nene/Trevor Booker/Jan Vesely/Andray Blatche
C: Emeka Okafor/Kevin Seraphin

It's a solid lineup especially defensively. They NEED to get Beal though if not you have to consider Waiters, Lamb, and even Rivers at #3 because they need scoring bad. If Beal goes #2 look for the Wizards to move down.

Do it! And then Barnes to Cleveland and my dream comes true--MKG to Sacramento.

D-Unit · 06-20-2012, 09:26 PM

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Harden playing poorly is on Brooks. Why isn't Thabo guarding LBJ? What else is Thabo good for?

If they play man, Westbrook should be guarding Lebron with a goal to stay in front of him and making it attractive for Lebron to shoot. Thabo on Wade. Use Harden's size advantage to stop Chalmers from shooting 3s. Durant on Battier. Ibaka on Bosh. Perkins/Collins on Haslem.

D-Unit · 06-20-2012, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SeanTaylorRIP

PG: John Wall/Shelvin Mack
SG: Brad Beal/Jordan Crawford
SF: Trevor Ariza/Chris Singleton
PF: Nene/Trevor Booker/Jan Vesely/Andray Blatche
C: Emeka Okafor/Kevin Seraphin

It's a solid lineup especially defensively. They NEED to get Beal though if not you have to consider Waiters, Lamb, and even Rivers at #3 because they need scoring bad. If Beal goes #2 look for the Wizards to move down.

I don't see Charlotte passing on Thomas Robinson at 2 for Beal. Henderson is their best player and he's a SG.

sbh15 · 06-20-2012, 09:34 PM

really what shocked me is that Washington didn't pry for that number 10. I did forget about Nene and what it means for their future, so I'll definitely agree that it makes them more competitive. better defensively as a whole.

the fact is, while they are more competitive, this still doesn't equip them to defend Miami. nothing does. if Miami is making their 3's you cannot stop them. and it's very easy for them to collapse a zone, leading to wide open shots on the perimeter. these are NBA players, they aren't going to miss that often.

as a side note, I think a guy like Chauncey Billups (if healthy) would be a very good signing for Miami. he can score by himself, or spot up for a 3 on a Wade/Lebron drive.

Ravens1991 · 06-20-2012, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SeanTaylorRIP

PG: John Wall/Shelvin Mack
SG: Brad Beal/Jordan Crawford
SF: Trevor Ariza/Chris Singleton
PF: Nene/Trevor Booker/Jan Vesely/Andray Blatche
C: Emeka Okafor/Kevin Seraphin

It's a solid lineup especially defensively. They NEED to get Beal though if not you have to consider Waiters, Lamb, and even Rivers at #3 because they need scoring bad. If Beal goes #2 look for the Wizards to move down.

How do you think we will distribute minutes for Seraphin and Vesely, both were improving towards the end of the season. Also do you think we will trade Booker?

Im still mad we couldnt have gotten the 10th overall pick or a protected first or something.

nobodyinparticular · 06-20-2012, 09:39 PM

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How do you think we will distribute minutes for Seraphin and Vesely, both were improving towards the end of the season. Also do you think we will trade Booker?

Im still mad we couldnt have gotten the 10th overall pick or a protected first or something.

Vesely can play some 3, can't he? I would imagine he would get a portion of his minutes from spelling Ariza.

Ravens1991 · 06-20-2012, 09:46 PM

Its a tough spot because his length is unreal at small forward but he doesnt have the handle or shot of a 3. He has size at 4 and elite quickness but no strength. I have read everything from us trying to develop him to a AK-47 or Gerald Wallace like player or having him bulk up to a Joakhim noah role. He saw a lot more 4 and even 5 then 3 last year. Even when Singelton was offering us nothing at 3. I think we will try to develop him into a big man.

Im also bummed for Seraphin he wont be getting as many minutes. In april He averaged 15.5 points, 7 boards, 1.66666 blocks a game. Also I read somewhere he has the 2nd most efficient hook shot in the NBA this past year.

Vesely stats in april 8.5 points, 7 boards, 1 steal, .7 blocks a game. A big improvement from the start of the season

Scotty D · 06-20-2012, 10:39 PM

Anyone else find it messed up teams can make trades while the finals are going on? Sort of unfair for those teams.

kalbears13 · 06-20-2012, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Scotty D

Anyone else find it messed up teams can make trades while the finals are going on? Sort of unfair for those teams.

They're in the finals...

Scotty D · 06-20-2012, 10:52 PM

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They're in the finals...

Still doesn't seem right to me. Doesn't mean they should be put at a disadvantage.

mqtirishfan · 06-20-2012, 10:53 PM

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Anyone else find it messed up teams can make trades while the finals are going on? Sort of unfair for those teams.

I'm sure Miami is pissed about losing out on the Rashard Lewis sweepstakes.

nobodyinparticular · 06-20-2012, 10:54 PM

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Still doesn't seem right to me. Doesn't mean they should be put at a disadvantage.

How is it a disadvantage? Because other teams can make moves and they can't? There is absolutely nothing to prevent the teams in the finals from negotiating on trades and even coming to a handshake agreement. It just can't be finalized until the Finals are over. Big deal. Get over it.

Plus, THEY'RE IN THE FINALS.

Scotty D · 06-20-2012, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by nobodyinparticular

How is it a disadvantage? Because other teams can make moves and they can't?

Plus, THEY'RE IN THE FINALS.

Uh yeah lol. How can you read that and not agree? Just because a team is in the finals doesn't mean their roster is set up for the next season.

kalbears13 · 06-20-2012, 11:14 PM

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Still doesn't seem right to me. Doesn't mean they should be put at a disadvantage.

It sucks for the teams that played in the Super Bowl because they have the 31st and 32nd picks in each round of the draft AND their best players didn't get to play in the Pro Bowl.

D-Unit · 06-20-2012, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sbh15

really what shocked me is that Washington didn't pry for that number 10. I did forget about Nene and what it means for their future, so I'll definitely agree that it makes them more competitive. better defensively as a whole.

the fact is, while they are more competitive, this still doesn't equip them to defend Miami. nothing does. if Miami is making their 3's you cannot stop them. and it's very easy for them to collapse a zone, leading to wide open shots on the perimeter. these are NBA players, they aren't going to miss that often.

as a side note, I think a guy like Chauncey Billups (if healthy) would be a very good signing for Miami. he can score by himself, or spot up for a 3 on a Wade/Lebron drive.

If Washington can generate scoring in the post between Nene, Okafor, Blatche, Seraphin, Vesley and whoever else they got.. and Miami doesn't boost their defense in the post, that post scoring and post defense is going to be a helluva lot more effective than Miami's jump shots and attempts at driving through those trees to the rim.

Washington will go as Wall goes. If he fills his potential... they will be VERY tough to beat.

Scotty D · 06-20-2012, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by kalbears13

It sucks for the teams that played in the Super Bowl because they have the 31st and 32nd picks in each round of the draft AND their best players didn't get to play in the Pro Bowl.

That isn't relevant to what I'm saying.

draftguru151 · 06-20-2012, 11:19 PM

Are you seriously talking about the Wizards against the Heat? What?

And Westbrook defending LeBron would be ******* awful. He would post the **** out of him.